When Charity is summoned it says "Z'othra has destroyed his past form" or something like that. So I believe Charity is Z'othra's new form, we haven't seen his old one yet. But that's just what I think

im pretty sure because it require fragment charity, that that was it's past form

Charity is a mixture of old Z'othra and shut'nyara (reality eater) so it's not entirely the same as charity is also 10x stronger than old Z'othra

Pretty much but a little bit differnt since the reality eater is a part of them now

Yes; they're the same person, Jester (Shut'nyara) doesnt hold a place in Charity anymore, Charity is Z'othras new form, but no one knows what Z'othra used to look like, Z'othra most likely used to be stronger because unlike his current form Charity he could give gifts and manipulate them

Originally posted by KING PREV:

Yes; they're the same person, Jester (Shut'nyara) doesnt hold a place in Charity anymore, Charity is Z'othras new form, but no one knows what Z'othra used to look like, Z'othra most likely used to be stronger because unlike his current form Charity he could give gifts and manipulate them

Z'othra was able to create gifts, BUT charity is still 10x stronger in total power, being able to manipulate reality and allat

Originally posted by Miner:

Originally posted by KING PREV:

Yes; they're the same person, Jester (Shut'nyara) doesnt hold a place in Charity anymore, Charity is Z'othras new form, but no one knows what Z'othra used to look like, Z'othra most likely used to be stronger because unlike his current form Charity he could give gifts and manipulate them

Z'othra was able to create gifts, BUT charity is still 10x stronger in total power, being able to manipulate reality and allat

We don't know all the powers Z'othra had, all we know is Charity can not give anybody gifts, so he's missing some of his original powers

Originally posted by Mr. Ohio 🗿🍷:

Originally posted by Miner:

Z'othra was able to create gifts, BUT charity is still 10x stronger in total power, being able to manipulate reality and allat

We don't know all the powers Z'othra had, all we know is Charity can not give anybody gifts, so he's missing some of his original powers

Yes he's missing some of his original powers, but his general strength was increased by a lot (he's literally undefeatable now) and like I said, thanks to absorbing Shut'nyara (or jester since most people call him that) he was able to receive reality manipulating powers wich he didn't have before.

Originally posted by Miner:

Originally posted by Mr. Ohio 🗿🍷:

We don't know all the powers Z'othra had, all we know is Charity can not give anybody gifts, so he's missing some of his original powers

Yes he's missing some of his original powers, but his general strength was increased by a lot (he's literally undefeatable now) and like I said, thanks to absorbing Shut'nyara (or jester since most people call him that) he was able to receive reality manipulating powers wich he didn't have before.

the shell can't manipulate reality on it's own but some of the powers charity has are just better versions of other powers that can be gifted by the weakened shell so it is likely the original could too

The artifical god was stronger then old zothra

OK three old z'othra exist:
pre-death, or what ever happened to it.
old human tiers, made of glass bones and paper skin.
and pre-charity shell, who is old in comparison to the newest form.
make sure everyone knows which old big z you are talking about

Charity is pretty much just zothra