Elder titan Tier 5!?

ES, godlike?
Enchantress, good?
Undying, bad?
Tiny, Lifestealer, bad?
KOTL, riki, unusable?
Sven, Apparition, just average?
Elder Titan, Bristleback, unusable?

Originally posted by 10vs10=FAIL:

ES, godlike?
Enchantress, good?
Undying, bad?
Tiny, Lifestealer, bad?
KOTL, riki, unusable?
Sven, Apparition, just average?
Elder Titan, Bristleback, unusable?

ES allows for so much terrain manipulation with his fissures that help so much in the early game and his consistent stuns allow him to interrupt almost all casting. His spot in godlike is well deserved.

Enchantress I highly debated between tier 2 and 3, and decided to put her in tier 2. Her pure damage isn't anywhere close to that of Silencer or OD but she is still a better right clicker than most other heroes.

Undying is mediocre in everything he does. His role is just out shined by too many other heroes. NP is a better summoner, almost anyone is a better tank, and his damage amp isn't enough to justify him as a pick

Tiny and lifestealer just don't bring anything that makes them better than their counterparts. Omni, Faceless, Legion, Pudge, Specter, and DK all simply outshine them.

KOTL only really has his cooldown reduction going for him which IMO isn't enough to justify the pick. Sure the Blinding light might be somewhat useful, but once bosses get truestrike he is literally just there to make a cooldown shorter. He was bouncing between tier 4 and 5, but he isn't worth the pick IMO

Riki has some decent utility with smoke screen but suffers from the same problem as KOTL it just falls off too hard and he is outshined by other DPS like slark and sven. He could be a tier 4, maybe I'll try him out some more and see if he is worth the bump up.

Sven is an average utility. Hes good in combos with other heroes that bump up base damage like Elementalist, Terrorblade, and Rubik (if you have Terrorblade), but hes too situational of a pick to be considered tier 2 by himself. He is still useful in the right situation but just not an every game pick.

Apparation is again a situational pick. If you go heavy magic damage hes a tier 1/2, but he is far less useful in games that are physical/pure heavy. Hes average overall which puts him in tier 3, but combos extremely well in the right situation.

Elder Titan Mistake, corrected.

Bristleback, He could probably be tier 4, but his animation is just so damn long on goo that I'm hesitant to put him up there. When there are so many other -armor choices like slardar, vengful, dazzle, specter, shadowfiend. I wouldn't justify taking him over almost any of them.

Why is Enigma so high? His % is physical, which means that rushing a veil on him only contributes to his malefice and black hole

also I agree, AA is godlike, especially in pubs. all lifesteal bosses become null

Originally posted by Ｍｅｒｉｘ:

Originally posted by 10vs10=FAIL:

ES, godlike?
Enchantress, good?
Undying, bad?
Tiny, Lifestealer, bad?
KOTL, riki, unusable?
Sven, Apparition, just average?
Elder Titan, Bristleback, unusable?

ES allows for so much terrain manipulation with his fissures that help so much in the early game and his consistent stuns allow him to interrupt almost all casting. His spot in godlike is well deserved.

Enchantress I highly debated between tier 2 and 3, and decided to put her in tier 2. Her pure damage isn't anywhere close to that of Silencer or OD but she is still a better right clicker than most other heroes.

Undying is mediocre in everything he does. His role is just out shined by too many other heroes. NP is a better summoner, almost anyone is a better tank, and his damage amp isn't enough to justify him as a pick

Tiny and lifestealer just don't bring anything that makes them better than their counterparts. Omni, Faceless, Legion, Pudge, Specter, and DK all simply outshine them.

KOTL only really has his cooldown reduction going for him which IMO isn't enough to justify the pick. Sure the Blinding light might be somewhat useful, but once bosses get truestrike he is literally just there to make a cooldown shorter. He was bouncing between tier 4 and 5, but he isn't worth the pick IMO

Riki has some decent utility with smoke screen but suffers from the same problem as KOTL it just falls off too hard and he is outshined by other DPS like slark and sven. He could be a tier 4, maybe I'll try him out some more and see if he is worth the bump up.

Sven is an average utility. Hes good in combos with other heroes that bump up base damage like Elementalist, Terrorblade, and Rubik (if you have Terrorblade), but hes too situational of a pick to be considered tier 2 by himself. He is still useful in the right situation but just not an every game pick.

Apparation is again a situational pick. If you go heavy magic damage hes a tier 1/2, but he is far less useful in games that are physical/pure heavy. Hes average overall which puts him in tier 3, but combos extremely well in the right situation.

Elder Titan Mistake, corrected.

Bristleback, He could probably be tier 4, but his animation is just so damn long on goo that I'm hesitant to put him up there. When there are so many other -armor choices like slardar, vengful, dazzle, specter, shadowfiend. I wouldn't justify taking him over almost any of them.

ES - i think you are overvaluing terrain manipulation. as for early game nukes, there are better picks. i think for a hero to be considered "godlike", they must be able to carry the team during the later stages. ES can't do that. he is not "godlike".

Enchantress - how is enchantress a better rightclicker? she is the weakest pure damage, she needs to be far away from the tank so she can't even help him, and she's int, which means she can't fully take advantage of bahamut fang. a great dps can tank through lifesteal and spell immunity. enchant can do that, but she has to sacrifice her puredamage because impetus needs range to be worthwhile. if you wanna ditch impetus, just pick a different hero, one that has skills to further boost damage outside of items. if you want pure damage orbs, she's the worst.

Undying - 100% all damage amp is great. his other skills can be ignored. as for tanking ability, in EBF you tank with your items. ive seen a BH, rikimaru tank just as well as any DK or pudge ever has. undying, can provide 100% damage amp on top of tanking just as well as any other tank.

DK - DK's only advantage is that he gets high armor and regen earlier than any other hero bec. of his passive. but what does his passive really do late game? not much. can it push DK up to 99% damage resist? NO. so DK will have 98% just like any other tank without bahamut fang.

Lifestealer - his best perk is not having to buy magic immunity, he has rage. he can just go straight to bahamut heart. with his extra slots he can carry utility items like demon eye and crit. (im not sure how his lifesteal fares with late game bosses, i havn't used him in a while)

KOTL - he's gandalf. his CD reduction combo'd with dazzle means perma shallowgrave. however we can't really expect this in pubs can we? so lets look at his other attributes. his nuke is one of the strongest hitting in the game, use veil and KOTL can really do serious bursts. blinding light gives 90% miss, and can push bosses around. finally his manaleak can chain stun bosses better than any1 IMO.

riki - he can be built as a tank like any other agi hero can be built like a tank. then he can silence and blind bosses till the end of time. (this is IMO a very cheap tactic. i do not condone this, i do not do this.)

sven - he is best used as a DPS tank, not a utility. combo him with undying and watch late game bosses melt. as a matter of fact, before the 2 latest bosses arrived, some1 was soloing up to necro with sven, no support at all needed. (i dont know how he is now with the new bosses)

Batneega is just as good as any other nuker except Invoker.

Blyatcyka is awesome. His dmg output is higher than TB. I know this sound ridiculous. Its not until u see the difference in late game and of course when u see the combat log.

Lone druid, at this point i assumed u hate to play the tank roles as u put every single gay tanks in tier 3 and below. Pudge and spectre in tier 2, and not a gay tank. Spectre isnt meant to tank and players made pudge is a viable tank. Lone druid is 1 of the best tank u can get in EBF. No other hero can get higher hp than him in early game. Not until pudge/centaur get health/blood booster+divine/bahamut heart.

Warlock. Fatal bond and upheaval is what makes the hero is godly in my opinion. He is the perfect combination in all range hero team. Slow to the max on every unit that enter the upheaval range in 1 sec, fatal bonds + nuke. Jesus. But i get it, he is no longer relevant in pub because the purpose of midas got warlock banned in the game.

Do not underestimate normal/hard players. Some of them are better than pubs queuing imp/chal map. I learn a lot from them and also a better map choice for training.

Originally posted by iRektNinja:

Batneega is just as good as any other nuker except Invoker.

Blyatcyka is awesome. His dmg output is higher than TB. I know this sound ridiculous. Its not until u see the difference in late game and of course when u see the combat log.

Lone druid, at this point i assumed u hate to play the tank roles as u put every single gay tanks in tier 3 and below. Pudge and spectre in tier 2, and not a gay tank. Spectre isnt meant to tank and players made pudge is a viable tank. Lone druid is 1 of the best tank u can get in EBF. No other hero can get higher hp than him in early game. Not until pudge/centaur get health/blood booster+divine/bahamut heart.

Warlock. Fatal bond and upheaval is what makes the hero is godly in my opinion. He is the perfect combination in all range hero team. Slow to the max on every unit that enter the upheaval range in 1 sec, fatal bonds + nuke. Jesus. But i get it, he is no longer relevant in pub because the purpose of midas got warlock banned in the game.

Do not underestimate normal/hard players. Some of them are better than pubs queuing imp/chal map. I learn a lot from them and also a better map choice for training.

Ok I have no idea who batneega is.

Bloods damage output is not higher than TB.

Druid is there because he offers no utility compared to other tanks. As for the other tanks, none of them even come close to Omni. Omni is BY FAR the best tank in the game right now. It's not even close for anyone else.

Warlock has some decent utility for large number of enemy maps, but falls off to uselessness on later bosses.

batneega is batrider hahahahaha

As far as Riki and KotL go I've bumped them up to T4 for now since they have some specific uses/combos.

Bad simply isn't worth the pick over CM, AA, Zeus, or other casters.

Originally posted by Ｍｅｒｉｘ:

Originally posted by iRektNinja:

Batneega is just as good as any other nuker except Invoker.

Blyatcyka is awesome. His dmg output is higher than TB. I know this sound ridiculous. Its not until u see the difference in late game and of course when u see the combat log.

Lone druid, at this point i assumed u hate to play the tank roles as u put every single gay tanks in tier 3 and below. Pudge and spectre in tier 2, and not a gay tank. Spectre isnt meant to tank and players made pudge is a viable tank. Lone druid is 1 of the best tank u can get in EBF. No other hero can get higher hp than him in early game. Not until pudge/centaur get health/blood booster+divine/bahamut heart.

Warlock. Fatal bond and upheaval is what makes the hero is godly in my opinion. He is the perfect combination in all range hero team. Slow to the max on every unit that enter the upheaval range in 1 sec, fatal bonds + nuke. Jesus. But i get it, he is no longer relevant in pub because the purpose of midas got warlock banned in the game.

Do not underestimate normal/hard players. Some of them are better than pubs queuing imp/chal map. I learn a lot from them and also a better map choice for training.

Ok I have no idea who batneega is.

Bloods damage output is not higher than TB.

Druid is there because he offers no utility compared to other tanks. As for the other tanks, none of them even come close to Omni. Omni is BY FAR the best tank in the game right now. It's not even close for anyone else.

Warlock has some decent utility for large number of enemy maps, but falls off to uselessness on later bosses.

Okay TB have 20k bonus damage.
Bloodseeker have 9x output TOTAL damage.

What u think ?

( I'm very sensitive with every post that underrate my bloodseeker xD )

I'll give him another shot but I didn't have insane damage output last time I played him.

Originally posted by Ｍｅｒｉｘ:

I'll give him another shot but I didn't have insane damage output last time I played him.

Why is Elementalist Godlike? Because he gives the entire team haste, thousands of free damage, and is able to pump out insane magic damage.

Bloodseeker is similar, in that he can just buff the other carries and make them ♥♥♥♥ damage, all while still doing respectable damage. If Elementalist is going to be T1, Bloodseeker should also be T1 for doing the same thing.

Originally posted by Bukkake Typhoon:

Originally posted by Ｍｅｒｉｘ:

I'll give him another shot but I didn't have insane damage output last time I played him.

Why is Elementalist Godlike? Because he gives the entire team haste, thousands of free damage, and is able to pump out insane magic damage.

Bloodseeker is similar, in that he can just buff the other carries and make them ♥♥♥♥ damage, all while still doing respectable damage. If Elementalist is going to be T1, Bloodseeker should also be T1 for doing the same thing.

Elementalist is godlike because he does both. He is a massive boost to everyone in your team and a gigantic nuker. Bloodseeker is a weak nuker with a single target buff. Past that he is your run of the mill agi DPS. I'll bump him up to tier 4, but he is no where close to tier 1.

Originally posted by Ｍｅｒｉｘ:

Warlock has some decent utility for large number of enemy maps, but falls off to uselessness on later bosses.

same goes for ES. What can echo slam do to asura? Necro? Golem? Fatalbonds is so sweet.

In the end, its ur hero tier list based on ur experience from playing them.

-atk slow doesnt make u the tank. High hp and amor does. Omni is more like utility but can also be a tank if nobody else pick tank hero.

Bounty hunter doesnt work well with ES, Tiny, Spectre

Originally posted by Ｍｅｒｉｘ:

I'll give him another shot but I didn't have insane damage output last time I played him.

in very2 late game, melee is the strongest.

Originally posted by Ｍｅｒｉｘ:

As far as Riki and KotL go I've bumped them up to T4 for now since they have some specific uses/combos.

Bad simply isn't worth the pick over CM, AA, Zeus, or other casters.

riki just got nerfed. u can put him down to tier5 again. he will stay there forever until got rework on his skills.

Originally posted by iRektNinja:

-atk slow doesnt make u the tank. High hp and amor does. Omni is more like utility but can also be a tank if nobody else pick tank hero.

-attack speed is by far the best tanking stat. That is why Shivas is such an amazing tanking item. With Omni you can easily get mobs down to a 5s per attack (slowest the game allows) compared to multiple attacks per second normally.

As for ES on bosses, his consistent stunning delays casting and attacks. Its only ministuns but it is still amazing to have. He is easily Tier 1 and that isn't going to change unless he gets nerfed.

Bounty hunter works well with everyone. You bring him for track. More gold for everyone is amazing.

As far as late game goes, you're crazy if you think any melee can come close to Silencer or Terrorblade. Slark is pretty damn good, but not on the level of those 2.