Current gold system is waaaay better than previous. Ignore whiners imo.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Elf4lyfe:

Current gold system is waaaay better than previous. Ignore whiners imo.

Agree, previous system forces players to slow game, i like how it works now. And midas system does not count gold-making heros, i played with BH and Alch with aghanim and i have to much gold, ~280k if count all items in last round, don't remember how much free gold i have. In game without alch/bh/doom i usally have not problem to buy minimum items for damage/survive, well if 5-6 players without midas - it means they new to game and your game ruined anyway. Some heros don't even need costly items to deal damage.

i will repeat myself for like the 50th time for anyone reading; even with only 1 midas on your team (and you're the person with midas) you will earn 30-70k gold (depending on how fast you upgrade and if you upgrade) (your team won't but hey); your team will earn approximately 4-12k from your passive gold (again depending on how fast and if you upgrade); compare this with old midas where if one person had midas hammer you'd be lucky to get 1-5k gold in an entire game

please stop complaining out of greed; there is enough gold to carry you through the game

seriously, ppl complaining about midas? old midas can only be used by hitter not skiller but the new one is nice, more variation of gameplay happen because of that

Midas is fine, i think the complaint is about noob don't even know how it work =)
Can you guys find a way to push the words "YOU WILL GET LESS GOLD WITHOUT MIDAS" into loading screen or somehow make it pops in game?

Just remove the option of the more midas your team have = the more gold your team received.
With the 45 Core Asura, i don't see there's any uses with so much gold anymore. Most of my gold is sitting there buying fancy item in the vault.

I agree that the current system is much better than the old one, but don't get me wrong, our current situation describes the "-NOT EVERYONE MUST HAVE IT" problem. I think that the only reason that someone doesn't buy a midas is that he doesn't know what the item does. As it stand now the point of midas is just to lose you some money in the start and then eventually become a "passive" (by getting upgraded).

I don't have any idea however on how this problem will be solved without creating a bigger problem and overall I am very happy with how the creator balanced the gold gain, so I don't see any way this can change for the better.

1)No midas system get all gold free.
2)Get money for your own hammer, why ?
Why suffer for other's mistakes ?

BTW My NEW trick to beat every midas system.
->Wait and observe if all members get midas if more than 80 % people get midas ignore.
-> If no one gets midas warn them that if by level 10 no one get midas you are leaving .
-> The indication that majority don't have midas is that they are noob and the gold value is gonna fall late game will will create damage/tanking problems. so just leave by level 10.

Oprindeligt skrevet af BrightSky:

Why suffer for other's mistakes ?

Because it is team game, no? You will suffer for mistakes and benefits from good moves from your teammates. Or you just want to game be like everyone can be ok by themself without any interruction and dependance of teammates? But even then there be noobs with wrong items for wrong hero (i wanna cry when see a WR with butterfly upgraded, she is Int hero, not Agi!) What the point to have a team then?

And... actually, we need to count, how much gold you earn with 1/7 shoemaker hammer (or midas fury if build need it) +self gold. Then we need to count some standard minimum builds for different roles/heros. And see, how really poor you are, or it just an illusion, and all this gold is difference between items like divine core and bahamut core (real difference that matter is 67% vs 75% cd - 46k for 8% cdr and ~4k of int?), exalibur (6k) and mjolnir (22k) - 450% crits vs 550% crits - yes, it is good, but even 450% is enough. Divine soul and dark soul - if you want to be far away, do you really need health that divine soul gives you? etc.

If im a tank why should I suffer ? i can't build tanky enough items till late game because of this low gold gain ? unless I have some tanky heros like dk given a passive armor.
I don't think our money must be interdependant .

Fine, want shared gold with the bearer of showmoney all the gold not based on how many people have it and the rest who don't have can geta percentage of it.

But if I havea freaking midas hammer i want my freaking gold regardless of whoever hasa midas or not. baitches.

you get 40% of the gold no matter what, so if you have shoemoney you will get 80*round NO MATTER WHAT; tanks can buy hand of midas for guaranteed 35*round gold

and again, this midas is giving WAY MORE GOLD than old midas so all i'm seeing is people complaining that their free stuff isn't enough and they want more free stuff

i could just as well completely remove midas

agreed the midas gives more gold than before but given that the midas gives more gold than before . the bosses seem to be more buffed than they were before. so the midas gain nullifies the effect.

Also I'm with the idea that midas must be removed I mean seriously why is it even needed ?
wtf is this concept why not just give the freaking gold to the players. LOL

I mean I agree it'sa team game but I have like 20 friends who play dota but won't play ebf with me so im forcd to play with some outsiders who i don't even know.

So this is what happens to me every game.

" I tank always I should to do a heavy magic dps or ranged dps "
Ohh! the tank is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and all don't even have a freaking midas , Damn!
we then gett our as freaked at level 25 or level 32 and then GG game over.
There by i make an axiom that i can never win a game without me being a tank.
So I decied to solo by the time level 10 arrives but i don't have tanking items and our team is already dieing to roshan level LOL.
It's take a bout 3/10 games to have tanks that can tank throughout the game.

Oprindeligt skrevet af BrightSky:

Also I'm with the idea that midas must be removed I mean seriously why is it even needed ?
wtf is this concept why not just give the freaking gold to the players. LOL

If i remember it right, midas suppouse to give BONUS gold (like a BH ult, it is not what you have all games), and midas fury was a terrible item (one game we have 4 midas furys and just cant deal damage at some point). It was kind of team support item - you give up your damage for gold for others, so other DD can buy more damage items.
If remove midas now, people can start ask for "pick alchemist! alch plz!" in all games, if remove all bonus gold from skills and any other source, you will know how much gold in this round you will have and just buy items in same order over and over again. Maybe it is not bad.

Oprindeligt skrevet af BrightSky:

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There by i make an axiom that i can never win a game without me being a tank.
So I decied to solo by the time level 10 arrives but i don't have tanking items and our team is already dieing to roshan level LOL.
It's take a bout 3/10 games to have tanks that can tank throughout the game.

You don't need a tank to complete the game, even in challenger. Specialised tanks are basically a deadweight excuse for lack of damage.

If you seriously can't get past rounds 1-13, pick tinker or riki. Anything beyond round 13 can be carried by anyone that knows how to play. Once you hit round 17, a good carry can out-tank the tank and/or outdps the entire team combined too.

A good carry name a good carry other than DROW ? LOL