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int heroes have gotten nothing but buffs

its already mention before, int lenses has already buffed as volvo already shut em down completely otherwise your lenses wont effect at all. and even before this people already leave NG+ cause its boring, but now for other reason (poor).Lmao...

Int heroes are still good if you get veil and they are not meant to be tanks. If you don't use veil you are useless even with a lens. Always was useless without veil. They are nukers/casters mostly except a few like NP, WR, visage.

houthakker you said in comments "if u dont want to play the second part of the game just press "no""
I want to play but players leave the game, I think they do not understand the updates

Originally posted by houthakker:

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int heroes have gotten nothing but buffs

buffs u say... you play with int heroes?
i want see you play with puck, warlock, leshrac,, necro, bane, lich, keep of the light, disruptor, witch doctor, zeus
show me I'm wrong
add me as a friend and play with int hero
I want to see you be nuke hero ...
even support you will not be able to do with bad skills they have

Originally posted by Forsaken:

Int heroes are still good if you get veil and they are not meant to be tanks. If you don't use veil you are useless even with a lens. Always was useless without veil. They are nukers/casters mostly except a few like NP, WR, visage.

surely they are not tanks but not to say they are nuckers and support
dps heroes also are not tanks but sometimes resist 1 hit boss


I really do not understand these comments you 3
it is as if the comments did not exist several people complaining about the updates and how the int heroes are not good to be playing
it's like in any game not always had the same picks
I honestly think that before focus on updates to the game should focus on making all heroes are possible to play

Lmfao,I don't understand your comment. Your comment is based on what others have been saying in some threads and on comment section. Not the real fact those same people don't even get veil on int heroes and complain about them being crap and doing no damage. Also those people could be new to the game. I am not, not even SoZe, not to mention... Houthakker as hell ain't a new person so we know int heroes aren't crap as you and some other people are commenting. Did you know before the latest lens nerf, there were people commenting and complaining on how Overpowered int heroes like visage, ogre magic were? no? Then go back to wherever hole you came out from. We find comments like yours funny and amusing.

All heroes playable, you don't say. If i say so myself, only few int supports like WD are the only ones that have little to no use in EBF. Their skills don't scale well into late game/NG+ and do little damage. Nukers on the otherhand are different unlike your belief they are useless because lens amplification was nerfed from what it was a few patches earlier. As a matter of fact, Zeus and lesh still owns with veil, don't know what that is? Don't talk crap about nukers when you get only a lens to do damage. I hope you realize some bosses have so high magic resistance even your lens doesn't do the original damage it's supposed to do.

Originally posted by Forsaken:

Lmfao,I don't understand your comment. Your comment is based on what others have been saying in some threads and on comment section. Not the real fact those same people don't even get veil on int heroes and complain about them being crap and doing no damage. Also those people could be new to the game. I am not, not even SoZe, not to mention... Houthakker as hell ain't a new person so we know int heroes aren't crap as you and some other people are commenting. Did you know before the latest lens nerf, there were people commenting and complaining on how Overpowered int heroes like visage were? no? Then go back to wherever hole you came out from. We find comments like yours funny and amusing.

All heroes playable, you don't say. If i say so myself, only few int supports like WD are the only ones that have little to no use in EBF. Their skills don't scale well into late game/NG+ and do little damage. Nukers on the otherhand are different unlike your belief they are useless because lens amplification was nerfed from what it was a few patches earlier.

lmao
My comment is based on real facts
I play the game but it seems that you do not play.
I always do veil and is not as efficient as you say
if some heroes have had a high buff then the most correct would nerf them and not all int heroes
proves that we are all wrong add me and we play together, you play a int hero and prove me wrong instead of just talking ...

No point arguing with people like you. And no, I ain't gonna bother wasting time playing with people like you.
I will make this clear to you. Int heroes didn't get nerfed directly. What houthakker nerfed was the Lens amplification and also the new bloodthrone+it's upgrades. Ogre magi, invoker and int nukers who were able to cast spells that had magic damage type on them were able to kill mobs in NG+ in an instant without getting asura lens. Just the last upgrade of lens and veil alone was killing the mobs in one hit which was overkill. Visage and antimage too with veil was doing that. Now you can't do that since now you have to use the skills a bit more instead of 1 hitting. Visage can still wipe out NG+ by the way with veil. Not 1 hitting but still stronger than your pure damage hitters.
My most recent match with an int hero was on CM and it isn't crap as you would find it. With an octarine core her spells are pretty much spammable just like the other nukers. Was so easy to clear out treant rounds with her.

Originally posted by Forsaken:

No point arguing with people like you. And no, I ain't gonna bother wasting time playing with people like you.

classic answer of those who have no arguments

any dps hero cleans treants with mellee fury
in ng + dps heroes are gods and int heroes are mortals , int agree to nerfar the heroes not to kill with 1 magic but now they are nerfed so that not to launch the same magic 30 times you can kill

Originally posted by atividade paranaue:

Originally posted by Forsaken:

No point arguing with people like you. And no, I ain't gonna bother wasting time playing with people like you.

classic answer of those who have no arguments

Classic comment by trolls who think adding on profile and challenging proves you are right and others are wrong. You are one of the classic trolls and toxic players in the Dota community I talk about who will disregard what everyone else says just like you ignored what I said about int heroes entirely. Act like know it all but in reality doesn't and assume others don't. Also your kind of people will say "add me on profile let's play 1v1 noob" I know what you are.

You are complaining about NG+. Int heroes always did die on NG+ 1 hit. Not a new thing. I don't know what EBF you've been playing but don't assume I don't play EBF because you are an amatuer EBF player.
I am done repeating myself as I have already played matches on int heroes like ogre magic, invoker, leshrac, CM, zeus after the new patch. In NG+ I know they are weak compared to DPS hitters early to mid game because the creeps have high HP and magic resistance at start. But when you start getting veil upgrades+asura lens they are not weak as you claim. Your whole argument is based on int heroes being weak early game in NG+. Not that they are weak in the normal game which means this whole problem is not about int heroes nerf or not. It's the mobs earlier in the NG+ having high magic resistance/HP that it can't kill like your god tier DPS hitters. Maybe you should be complaining about that but not int heroes being weak.

Have a good day gloating about your "proness" as you narcisists do and I am done replying to this thickheaded numbskull who doesn't understand what's going on.

im not a true fan of nuker, but i do realized. When you pick INT you do know your hero is lack of HP and armor right? even in doto its easier to play right clicker rather than play tinker or involker its a proof that using INT hero need some player skill and exp eg: position. due splashing and huge range you should play smart, coordinated with your tank with your positioning,etc. if you said melee right clicker can wipe up treant round, than i can said with proper item on a caster they can take doom,asura,necro,etc with their wombo combo.even tiny magical nuke type build can meld doom quickly not to mention if its a int nuker.

if you cant bring them down then there something wrong with your build. of course sometimes you being death due bad positions or whatever it is. so did you get the points? caster is a caster not a semi tanker or do right clicking dps.even your right clicker has less effective on some rounds compare to nuker. here some hints: on king grave round try to stay on base while your tank around 2k range from you in front. ask your tank to blade mail to aggro or when the bosses is baited, your tank should be regen to stay alive if your hitter is good and not walking to death like most joes, and then you could blink to side / turn around so you dont get hit by splash and then you can nuke em.its basic.
i has seen enigma, involker that less feeding than blood seeker/PA on this patch. so yeah...keep practise that moon walking juke.

I know why people are complaining about new game+ int heroes being weak and doing little damage. It's because of high magic resistance on mobs.They have like 95% magic resistance. Lens doesn't amplify damage as much to counter that anymore. 100% spell amp is not enough. It is a must to get sun veil, asura lens is useless without that sun veil.

I believe before lens nerfed. Its was 300% top tier.and forget about asura lenes.but now its only 100% and 200%(but its count your int 200 int/1% i think). From my exp asura lens alone only give you boost a bit.but combo with asura dagon make your magic piercing around 3k. On late game. That is just about ng+mid game on older patch so yeah the output quite significan but still they do a lot dmg with extra items. i think it must be split build among casters otherwise its too expensive.

average nuke is 36k in damage, with lens (stacks 3x up to 400%) you do 200% (base 100% + 100%) damage so a nuke does 72k damage. at max lens amplification (400% so 5x multiplier) these nukes do 180k damage. int maxes out at around 25k-30k for most casters, this adds another 137% for 229k damage per nuke (and 36k is on the low spectrum of damage) now this gets amplified by bloodthorn spellcrit for 300% crits at max level meaning your nuke just did 687k damage and most nukes have like a 2s-5s cooldown; heroes with stronger nukes do 900-1.2mil per nuke.
this is post-nerf, so imagine how it was before the lens nerf when asura lens gave 900%. people were complaining about magic damage constantly and i agreed that it was too strong, especially with the new thorn items that stacked with it just blowing bosses up

Houthakker, you are not taking into consideration things like how much money it costs to get those lenses, veils and magic resistance of mobs etc. If they were to get just lenses, they can't get any other item. One caster can get only 1 lens and veil upgrades currently in both normal game and NG+. Bloodthorn/lens isn't useful in NG+ for nukers/casters without the veil. They just do chip damage which is what players like the poster of this thread is talking about. Maybe after you introduce the way to fix broken items that will change in NG+ so they won't have to re-purchase everything from the start.

PS: Lots of people hate the NG+ because they can't cope up with the changes like item removal. So it's best to make that asura essence fix working soon or revert back to the old NG+.

Wait, are people crying about casters not being that OP anymore?