One suggestion I have is a special event for the printing press for Korea since historically, they changed their alphabet to be easier to print with movable type, so they adapted that technology much earlier than Japan or China. I would give Korea an event that allows them to more easily get that institution, maybe in exchange for a stability hit?

@quartiap Possibly, but Hangul was opposed by the nobility because they didn’t want to lose power, so the use of it was opposed and eventually fell out of use and wasn’t revived till later, it was only adopted into official use in 1894. So while it was invented to ease printing and learning, it saw extreme opposition so there would have to be big penalties to accepting it early.

So I like this mod mostly, but I feel making the restrictions be based on *tech group* rather than *location* gets a bit weird for a few edge cases, such as Granada. If one plays a Granadan Re-Reconquista, it feels a bit strange for me to be arbitrarily locked off from certain institutions, especially since there is no way to change tech group.

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@quartiap Possibly, but Hangul was opposed by the nobility because they didn’t want to lose power, so the use of it was opposed and eventually fell out of use and wasn’t revived till later, it was only adopted into official use in 1894. So while it was invented to ease printing and learning, it saw extreme opposition so there would have to be big penalties to accepting it early.

It'd definitely be worth adding though. Maybe a sufficient penalty would be a permanent decrease to loyalty of one or more estates? It just doesn't make sense for Japan to be the only Asian country that can get an advantage, since the whole idea is for the player to be able to shape what happens.

Have you thought about making a patch for Extended Timeline? The only vanilla institution that ET seems to change is industrialization.

Why Enlightenment and Industrialization do not spreads and can't be embraced by the Ottomans (Anatolian tech group)? I think, it should be different, 'cause Turkey is a part of Europe (as a civilization)

@kpssitscg the time Ottoman Empire was beginning its decline lines up really well with the last two institutions, so having them be barred from it simulates that really well, in addition the Ottomans can still be very powerful in game at that point so this helps balance it more.

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@kpssitscg by the time Ottoman Empire lines up really well with the last two institutions, so having them be barred from it simulates that really well, in addition the Ottomans can still be very powerful in game at that point so this helps balance it more.

Especially as in Vic2 the Ottomans are considered a partly uncivilised nation.

It would be great (and a lot of work) to have an event chain or decision allowing a nation that is restricted from these institutions to overcome that barrier, such as adopting a foreign alphabet or societal reform. In order to keep the simulation relatively historical and not just fall into the vanilla game's same problem, they would of course have to be very demanding and difficult, but it creates an exciting alternate history style thing where an asian or american country reforming is actually meaningful, instead of a common inevitability as in vanilla.

I would also suggest that the Ottoman Empire be given a blocker or a event for the printing press for a certain period of time because printing books was banned for Muslims, especially religious texts in Arabic script (e.g., the Quran). This ban was in place from the late 15th century onwards for religious reasons. Initially, only non-Muslims (Jews and Christians) were permitted to print in their own languages. Book printing was not officially permitted for Muslims until 1727, but only for secular works. The Quran was not permitted to be printed until the 19th century.

I would like to suggest removing passive institution growth from monuments, such as the one in Adal