Second this, except the unistall mid game. Faction control does its thing on world generation so anything it breaks is at the start of world gen

LoneSomeRider lähetti viestin:

Second this, except the unistall mid game. Faction control does its thing on world generation so anything it breaks is at the start of world gen

i think it only breaks the maynard storyteller which is there to limit faction appearances to medieval? if im fine with not using maynard i should be fine with this minor incompatibility no?

Unless you’re going for a true medieval play through. My question. If I were to use another tech limiting mod( lord of the rims for instance) and choose Maynard. Would they cause issues.

I could live with this just fine if this mod offered at least one of the key features of Faction Control (i.e., more dispersed faction settlements and/or more instances of a given faction/tech set).

using realistic planets is actually a pretty good substitute. havent had any problems. use it instead of faction control. it has the nation building feature, sadly choosing how many factions you want is not possible. i've added more factions with world edit though

replacements for faction control in short:

- World edit

- Realistic planets

same functions just not as convenient

That is not the point. Everyone can easily set up a patch mod that increases the total number of a specific faction to spawn. The problem is, that Rimworld uses some kind of planet tile calculation when determining how many settlements to spawn for each faction.
On a normal vanilla sized planet that's not that much of a problem, but there are lots of people out there who do not have a high end pc and are either playing with 30% or less planet coverage, or running 'my little planet' to scale down the total size of a planet. The problem is, that by doing this, the total number of tiles changes, and it happens quite regularly, that factions do spawn with only 1 or 2 settlements per faction.

The only mod that targets this problem by some c# magic is 'faction control', since it has a function that changes the per tile calculation depending on how many settlements you want on a planet. That is pretty much the only reason to run faction control at all, since other features are either available in ralistic planets, or can be easily done by xml patching.
That is the main problem here. If you have lots of different factions, but each faction has only 1 settlement, you don't even need to bother playing with those factions, since you pretty much never get to visit any of them. Therefore it would be great, if 'Vanilla Factions Expanded' would either target compatibility with faction control, or tackle that problem by itself.

wizzart lähetti viestin:

The problem is, that by doing this, the total number of tiles changes, and it happens quite regularly, that factions do spawn with only 1 or 2 settlements per faction.

dont wanna sound like a peasant rube but thats why you'd use world edit, you can pluck down more faction bases/remove them at your leisure. you could even add/remove entire factions outright

I have somehow found the perfect equilibrium between VFE, VFEM, Faction Control and RRP. I have no idea how I have done this but they all work fine with no conflicts (The mod menu will say a conflict between Faction Control and VFE/VFEM but nothing actually breaks or is broken).

I don't use maynard and it works just fine.

Padawhat lähetti viestin:

I have somehow found the perfect equilibrium between VFE, VFEM, Faction Control and RRP. I have no idea how I have done this but they all work fine with no conflicts (The mod menu will say a conflict between Faction Control and VFE/VFEM but nothing actually breaks or is broken).

@Padawhat mind sharing in what load order you place them? I've already added them to my save so there's no turning back, might as well try to make them work together as best as possible

Would also be very interested to hear your mod loading order( apart from the part what exactly breaks when using Faction control and this together)