Hearts of Iron IV

Hearts of Iron IV

German Focus Rework
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Mr Tsubodai  [developer] 1 Sep, 2017 @ 3:02pm
Suggestions for focuses and future direction of the mod
Feel free to post your thoughts here and I may or may not take from your offerings. If you guys manage to reach a consensus over some proposed change then there is a high likelihood that I will try to put it in.
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Harkey 3 Sep, 2017 @ 4:49am 
The duration of some focuses especially of the Autobahn focuses is with 140 days a bit too long, so, also the duration of the focuses for getting oil is too long, so for example you could take a better focus, which gives you civilian factories for trade. Also some focuses of the soviet branch are a bit too op, i would limit the effects on a specific time
Harkey 3 Sep, 2017 @ 5:11am 
I think you also get a bit too mushc political power as germany. It´s 1938 and every slot of my cabinett, companies and etc. is loaded. you should maybe lower the trait down to a 10% or 15% bonus for hitler
I have 2 ideas. Firstly, a seperate focus regarding the SA overthrowing Hitler's regime as Hitler was always paranoid with the SA taking over. Also, for the democratic pathway, Hitler being assassinated resulting in other members of the NSDAP becoming rulers/civil war?
Ferrisuki 3 Sep, 2017 @ 11:31am 
Id reccomend adding a way to go Monarchist or a event to reinstate the kaiser. just a little alt-history
Mr Tsubodai  [developer] 3 Sep, 2017 @ 11:47am 
Originally posted by Harkey:
I think you also get a bit too mushc political power as germany. It´s 1938 and every slot of my cabinett, companies and etc. is loaded. you should maybe lower the trait down to a 10% or 15% bonus for hitler
I think that I will add/change ideas to consume political power.



Originally posted by Jameson:
I have 2 ideas. Firstly, a seperate focus regarding the SA overthrowing Hitler's regime as Hitler was always paranoid with the SA taking over. Also, for the democratic pathway, Hitler being assassinated resulting in other members of the NSDAP becoming rulers/civil war?
Interesting idea, though the Night of the Long Knives was in '34 making the SA irrelevant as a threat to Hitler. And I will probably add assassination events for Hitler, with perhaps a 5% chance of death, but he would be replaced by another Nazi. I will probably look to develop events such as the Oster Conspiracy and other Officer's Coups, but these would manifest as a civil war for the ideological/political future of Germany.



Originally posted by Kamerade Wolff ✠:
Id reccomend adding a way to go Monarchist or a event to reinstate the kaiser. just a little alt-history
I think there are other mods that do that quite well. Given the world situation in 1936, I don't think a return to the Kaiser (or for that matter any other ideology) was possible. It would be more feasible for an earlier start date, but in 1936 it seems too much of a reach for me. Thanks for the suggestion though.
Alpha2518 4 Sep, 2017 @ 12:16pm 
Originally posted by Zapp Brannigan:
i was thinking of a few national focuses, these are on the alternative history.
2) "alliance with America"
However unlikely, the united states has the largest amount of Germanic blood outside of Germany. Over fifty million Americans are German, on top of that the United States has other germanic peoples making the nation overwhelmingly Germanic.
I feel like this focus should make america have a more positive view on germany

There should be an even better one. "Throw Japan Under The Bus." The idea behind this focus is that when Japan attacks Pearl Harbor, the Germans sell them out by saying "We had nothing to do with this. We're going to give you everything we have on them." And to ensure this goes through, the Nazis would also tell all the big papers, the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, etc what they are going to do. This would destroy any all effort to go to war with Germany with the American Public and thus demand they only focus on Japan.
obssesednuker 4 Sep, 2017 @ 4:21pm 
I suggest you rename the "A War More Total And Radical etc. etc" Focus into "Totaller Krieg", which was the name of the speech, instead so it doesn't overspill and so it doesn't mimic that USSR Focus you have too much. You can still use the text of the speach in the NI's description, though.
Mr Tsubodai  [developer] 4 Sep, 2017 @ 9:38pm 
@Zapp Brannigan, Alpha2518, obssesednuker, thank you for putting your ideas out there, I will consider these suggestions for future updates :)


Originally posted by obssesednuker:
I suggest you rename the "A War More Total And Radical etc. etc" Focus into "Totaller Krieg", which was the name of the speech, instead so it doesn't overspill and so it doesn't mimic that USSR Focus you have too much. You can still use the text of the speach in the NI's description, though.
This will be instituted in the next patch.
Harkey 5 Sep, 2017 @ 2:48am 
I don`t know if you heard about operation mammut, but this was an operation from the germans to support a kurdish uprising in iraq to sabotage the british oil producing in iraq. after the take over of iraq through the kurds hitler planned to open a second front through the caucasus, which was ofc a crazy plan. Hitler even wrote in 1941 that the arabic uprisings in the middle east is a possibility for germany to beat the british in the middle east. I would like to see a focus, that maybe triggers a civil war, but with a very low chance with historical focuses.
Soviet Turtle 9 Sep, 2017 @ 4:14am 
Making a monarchist focus tree to reinstate Wilhelm II then maybe making an event to crown Wilhelm III in once Wilhelm II dies in 41

Never mind seen just seen your respone earlier
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Harkey 10 Sep, 2017 @ 2:09am 
The amount of military factories, that you get trough events and especially focuses, like "Nibelungenwerk" is really too high, 8 MF in 70 days does make Germany too op, considering, that their army lacked equipment, during the war with poland for example
Harkey 10 Sep, 2017 @ 2:11am 
I did get 100 Military factory just by doing the focuses and events, without constructing them
Last edited by Harkey; 10 Sep, 2017 @ 2:12am
Mr Tsubodai  [developer] 10 Sep, 2017 @ 11:07am 
Originally posted by Harkey:
I did get 100 Military factory just by doing the focuses and events, without constructing them
At the same time I am trying to make it more difficult to build civilian factories. Still working on the balancing for civ factories, but it is my intention to shower the player with military factories. One thing that doesn't play out in hoi, but was true in real life was that it took a very long time for the French and British to re-arm, something they basically do immediately (at the start of the game) in hoi.
I have read a claim that "The production volume of Skoda Works between August 1938 and September 1939 alone was nearly equal to that of all British arsenal factories in that period." When the Czechs only manage to have around 20 military factories total by that time, and the British can already have 50.
Harkey 10 Sep, 2017 @ 11:39am 
Originally posted by Mr Tsubodai:
Originally posted by Harkey:
I did get 100 Military factory just by doing the focuses and events, without constructing them
At the same time I am trying to make it more difficult to build civilian factories. Still working on the balancing for civ factories, but it is my intention to shower the player with military factories. One thing that doesn't play out in hoi, but was true in real life was that it took a very long time for the French and British to re-arm, something they basically do immediately (at the start of the game) in hoi.
I have read a claim that "The production volume of Skoda Works between August 1938 and September 1939 alone was nearly equal to that of all British arsenal factories in that period." When the Czechs only manage to have around 20 military factories total by that time, and the British can already have 50.
Historically it would make sense, but from the balance it does destroy the experience, when you play the allies or soviets a lot, of course it is harder to build civillian factories, but if germany conquers they would have with the focuses and events nearly 100 or more. They would even have in total more military factories, than the USA have in total, considering, that there isn`t any good US tree out there, it would be nearly impossible to beat a player lead germany
Harkey 10 Sep, 2017 @ 11:42am 
Oh and I wouldn``t say, that france really rearms themselves at the beginning. In most of my vanilla game they had something about 20-30 Military Factories around mid 1939, considering the more than 100 MF of germany, with the really heavy production bonuses it makes them impossible to beat, if a player does pick with them. I think it`s the one of the big problems with the mods you have to find a balance between history and gameplay and considering the amount of Militay Factories I would tend to do it more balancedm to make the gameplay more challenging. France and Britian didn`t have any proper focus tree that does allow them to rearm theirselves by 1939, so I would maybe stillt rethink the amount of Military Factories
Last edited by Harkey; 10 Sep, 2017 @ 11:46am
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