ARK: Survival Evolved

ARK: Survival Evolved

Insects-Plus
Some realistic suggestions from someone who works with various Invertebrates (scorpions and spiders).
Hey there! Wanted to say this is a great mod. I'm an arachnologist myself, so the changes to the scorpions and spiders are absolutely lovely. There are some things I'd like to suggest however, as scorpion behavior tends to be such. Scorplings (baby scorpions) will crawl onto the mothers back when born, and will stay there until after their first molt cycle/first week or being aboard their mother. During this time they will not eat.

Figured maybe the scorpions riding their mothers back thing would be something you'd want to do. Also, curious about the inclusion of potential spider webs which you gather spider silk (new item?) from, as well as that being the place Spiders lay an egg sac.

From what I know of snails, the majority of species are unisex, and they fight to determine which will impregnate the other (Possibly making species a thing which doesn't matter at all?)

Also, as this mod seems to be going for a somewhat realistic approach, possibly adding specific collection vials for venom would be an interesting thing. Essentially something requiring crystal and hide. Crystal being the container, hide being the topper which goes over the vial, which the invert/snake/whatever stings/bites down on to produce venom. Would allow you to gain venom from incapacitated invertebrates/titanoboas/whatever if within your inventory and you've knocked them out.

I'm unsure how different ancient arachnid species are to their living relatives, but these are behaviors which are relatively commonplace currently, so I felt that might be something you'd be interested in, and maybe these would be some interesting suggestions for the mod.
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We are Captains of the Sky  [developer] 19 Nov, 2017 @ 3:22pm 
Wow this is a really deep comment thread, I'm very grateful you've taken the time to think up al these additions to Insects-Plus. Thanks for your suggestions! I'll address each separately:

Scorpion Baby behaviour: I actually want to implement something like this, to begin with it was just that you would have to keep the babies near the mother or they'd lose their imprint, but if I did get a functional animation working, you can be sure I'll do something like this.

Making harvestable spider webs that you can obtain silk from seems like a very good idea! I can't implement this on existing maps sadly, but I have my own map in the works and I'd definitely be interested in implementing this on there! I could have used an egg sack for baby Spiders, but I opted instead to have them produce live young. This is because I'm intending on having a skin apply during pregancy to have spiders appear to be carrying their eggs on them in an egg-sack, as many species of spiders do.

Some species of snails are very much like this and a dominance type thing will emerge. In other species it's mutual and both snails will impregnate each other. It's true that most species of snails are hermaphrodites, but sadly I don't know yet how to have ungendered breeding. Working on it though!

I like the idea of crafting vials for venom, but better yet, maybe making water jugs be able to hold venom would be a cleaner alternative? Allowing someone to obtain venom from wild creatures would certainly be interesting too, I imagine you'd just need a jug equipped and would use it on a creature to fill it, in the same way you obtain oil, water and raw fish from jug bugs and leedsichthys respectively.

Thanks again for the suggestions! I'll see what I can do as far as implementation goes!
I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I felt that as you seem to enjoy the presence of the invertebrates of the ARK I'd make some suggestions. It's great that someone has made a mod such as this though. :)

I wasn't sure if you were already in the works of trying to implement such. You could possibly make it so the saddle section of the pulmonoscorpius functions as a bed for the babies? I'm unsure as to how implementation for that would go, but obviously you wouldn't be able to ride one of the scorpions whilst it's carrying young. Maybe when they have young make it so it has a very specific saddle which force-locates them to the top (I honestly don't know how in-depth ARK modding is, but this seems plausible in my mind, I dunno). Or something like with Dimorphodons on the player shoulder, yet on the scorpions (again no idea if possible).

That said, for the spider webs thing, is there no way to make them be able to just apply a specific item in some area the spider is near? Like say if the spider is near a corner in an area they're kept within a house or something they could make a web that can be hacked away at to gather spider-silk (a silk alternative which may be used for something else?). There's another mod my server uses which adds a bird known as the Confusiuscornis. When kept in an area they seem to place down birds nests, so maybe something such as that could be done? (May need to speak to mod author to ask how to do such if you decide to look into it).

Carrying their eggs in an egg-sac definitely seems more plausible with these types of spiders to be fair, as they seem to be active hunters from their body-type and so on (and well, on the ARK they don't particularly make webs).

As for the snails, I'm not entirely sure about how to implement breeding when there's no gender placed upon the species. I've been trying to think of a dino or something that can do this, but I don't. You may not be able to even implement this, to be honest.

As for the vials thing, I'm not so sure about a water jug as it wouldn't actually work in terms of realistically wise, though, I suppose these are ancient creatures we're talking about in the first place and they'd need some special equipment made for them respectively (Titanoboa fang separation would require an aquarium with a hide topper @_@..). Honestly this comes down to your discretion as to what is the most effective, and this was an idea I'd had after watching some colleagues collect venom samples. Though, an idea I did have is potentially making it slightly more realistic is allowing the crystallization of venom, or preservation within a deep freezer type item.




Also, question: Would you mind if I sent you a friend request so we can possibly discuss this at depth sometime?
Aphotep 20 Nov, 2017 @ 12:40pm 
About the spiders: Would it be possible to make the egg-sack a saddle (that can't be removed) instead of a skin?
This would serve multiple purposes. For one, a spider with that kind of valuables on it wouldn't let anyone ride on it, so blocking the saddle slot would be reasonable, as far as I am concerned.
It would also allow people to use other skins (if there actually are any, not quite up to date on the cosmetic front of ARK) and keep the mod working at the same time.

Also, don't some scorpions carry their eggs on their backs too?
Originally posted by Aphotep:
About the spiders: Would it be possible to make the egg-sack a saddle (that can't be removed) instead of a skin?
This would serve multiple purposes. For one, a spider with that kind of valuables on it wouldn't let anyone ride on it, so blocking the saddle slot would be reasonable, as far as I am concerned.
It would also allow people to use other skins (if there actually are any, not quite up to date on the cosmetic front of ARK) and keep the mod working at the same time.

Also, don't some scorpions carry their eggs on their backs too?
All scorpions have live young, so nope.:D They carry their eggs inside of themselves until they hatch and then allow for the scorplings to exit.
ᗜˬᗜ Rune 17 Dec, 2017 @ 6:49pm 
i like the web idea it could be a replacement for fiber as fiber can be a pain to get untill you have a sicle or a dino that can harvest it
Originally posted by claws99:
i like the web idea it could be a replacement for fiber as fiber can be a pain to get untill you have a sicle or a dino that can harvest it

Whilst this isn't a bad idea, taming a spider I feel like comes much later after you've tamed something which is decent for Fiber gathering. I personally think it would be better as maybe a type of material maybe used for Armor? Maybe in place of Polymer or something? As spider silk currently is being tested in military applications if I recall due to the strength of it.

Or maybe Pelt. I'm not entirely sure to be honest.
Cpt Flint 18 Dec, 2017 @ 10:37am 
Originally posted by Miphnificent!:
Originally posted by claws99:
i like the web idea it could be a replacement for fiber as fiber can be a pain to get untill you have a sicle or a dino that can harvest it

Whilst this isn't a bad idea, taming a spider I feel like comes much later after you've tamed something which is decent for Fiber gathering. I personally think it would be better as maybe a type of material maybe used for Armor? Maybe in place of Polymer or something? As spider silk currently is being tested in military applications if I recall due to the strength of it.

Or maybe Pelt. I'm not entirely sure to be honest.


Polymer sounds like a good idea. Having them produce Organic Polymer and extend it's spoil time when in the spider's inventory.
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