O.o free belief? Is that added like an additional slot on the religion screen? Or just a passive effect? Does it also allow beliefs added by other mods? Is it possible to add even more (like in another mod?)

I would remove the Great General point from the first tier. Allows players to get GGs a lot earlier.

Are you using any other mods? If so, which ones?

Hiya - triggered Tier 4 - got the ability to select a new belief (completed my religion first), but there was nothing to choose from. Partially locked the game, as I had to alt+enter to end turns from there. :(

Got you, cheers!

That was only if you hadn't finished your religion already. If your religion only had say 3 beliefs, the free belief from tier 4 would grant you a 4th belief, but your apostles couldn't then be used to get a 5th belief. It has since been patched to only trigger the new belief bonus if your religion already has 4 beliefs, removing the need to grant 2 or 3 extra beliefs when the religion wasn't already complete.

Ah it was in your post on Reddit? No worries if not.

https://www.reddit.com/r/civ/s/zc1oBt5MAG

Tier 4 (Atomic Era): Your land combat units start with a free promotion. Your Apostles gain the Proselytizer promotion. Gain up to three free beliefs in your founded religion, limited to five beliefs in total.

This mod never gave three extra beliefs.

Really love this mod although I'm curious Is it possible for me to modify this to give 3 extra beliefs again as per the earlier version? (is there a line in the code somewhere?)

Nice work . but too weak.... no merit secret societies....
i think noting better than voidsingers

Just had a mod idea for a military secret society, similar to sanguine pact but based on fire and phoenixes as unique units etc... Got all the tiers/bonuses/effects worked out. Just looking for someone good at modding to do it, as I wouldn't even know where to start...

You're free to make a suggestion but it is unlikely to happen.

Hi Fuzzle, just wondering if you do commissions for a new secret society??

No. The entire secret societies game mode is part of the Ethiopia pack.

can you make societies witch dont nedd ethiopian pack?

Fix should be up shortly. Thanks for pointing out the inefficiency; I developed my own more efficient version.

I only got the long loading time when I had JNR faith and the Religions Expanded. Having only one of them did not cause it.

Even with all of Urban Complexity by JNR enabled, my original code only takes about 15 seconds longer to run than this version, which doesn't seem to account for the reported 10+ minute additional loading times.

Also if you need help in the future just plug it into chatGPT, it actually fixed the code perfectly.

Knights_Society_Convert_Projects.sql, lines 46 to 50:
INSERT OR IGNORE INTO BeliefModifiers (BeliefType, ModifierId)
SELECT BeliefModifiers.BeliefType, 'MOD_JGP_ATTACH_CONVERT_TO_'||Buildings.BuildingType FROM BeliefModifiers
INNER JOIN Modifiers ON Modifiers.ModifierType == 'MODIFIER_PLAYER_RELIGION_ADD_RELIGIOUS_BUILDING' AND Modifiers.ModifierId == BeliefModifiers.ModifierId
INNER JOIN ModifierArguments ON Modifiers.ModifierId == ModifierArguments.ModifierId AND ModifierArguments.Name == 'BuildingType'
INNER JOIN Buildings ON Buildings.BuildingType == ModifierArguments.Value AND Buildings.PurchaseYield == 'YIELD_FAITH' AND Buildings.EnabledByReligion == 1;

Loading time issues are due to a really poorly optimized SQL query

On line 46 the code to clone the belief modifiers this query is not utilizing the indexing of the database properly and is instead performing a search through all possible buildings in the game. Obviously this issue becomes bigger with mods that add more buildings, especially faith buildings like from the religions expanded or urban complexity faith which cause the search to be repeated more times. I will put fixed code in another comment.

Post the Database log in the bug report thread. The log can be found at: User\AppData\Local\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization VI\Logs

There is something that this isn't compatible with. Anyone have any guesses on what typical mods might be messing with this one? I run a lot of mods.

I tested a little further and it looks like the biggest issue was CIVITAS Askiya
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/workshop/filedetails/?id=1205609555
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/workshop/filedetails/?id=1205609555
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2111584476
I can use all other leaders now with very little issue; it still lengthens the loading time but by very little compared to before.

Me again! It looks like disabling my leader mods fixed the issue. I don't know if that's common with everyone else having the same issue, but it might be worth mentioning in the description

I've never experienced any extended loading times personally, though I've gotten a lot of comments in that vein. Unfortunately since I can't replicate the issue, I can't diagnose what the supposed problem could be.

Hi! First off, I think your Secret Societies are awesome, and lend so much and really elevate the game. There is a problem though; with your societies installed, it makes loading times jump up to ten-fifteen minutes. It's not a huge problem on a single player campaign, but it becomes almost unusable when playing with friends. I'm wondering if there are any known incompatibilities I should look out for. I have a fairly large mod pack, so I'm used to a longer (~2/3 minute) loading time, but it's too egregious with multiple players. If I can get rid of something else, I'm sure I'd rather do that than get rid of these.

Hi do you have the old version cos the new version caused my game to break

The keep unique building mod is great on ideia, but cause too many assets here, or something bad equal

You lose the civ unique building. That's why I made the Keep Unique Buildings mod

What happens if we play as Khmer, which has an unique replacement for the Temple and pick the Knights of Solomon?

Fuzzle, can you please have a look at the Diplomacy Compatibility Patch mod by Adriaman? I think there might be some code in there that adds the head count of followers in the standard religion screen. With that enabled, the 5th belief problem re-emerged.

Fuzzle - you are right it worked, at least with CVI religion options set to default.

I'm going to repeat the sandbox scenario with a couple of other things I often use re-enabled, and see what happens.

That is fascinating, because I had 42 *other mods enabled, and the only thing I disabled was customisation VI - and it worked properly (*including religion expanded, and Tomatekh's historical religions*).

I'll set up another speed-run game run with C-VI back in and see what the result is.

Additionally, I couldn't replicate your issue with Customization VI and Knights of Solomon. It worked fine for me with both mods enabled.

TY.

You can't pick the same belief twice.

Also a question - if you re-pick one of your original four beliefs as the fifth, will the effects stack? As an example, if I pick the belief that gives one science for each 4 followers of the religion, and then re-pick it, do I get two science instead of one?

@Fuzzle

Like other posters here, I had the problem with the 5th belief selection, and the empty religion screen with nothing to select, but managed to resolve it - by disabling Zegangani's "Customisation VI" mod.

Hypothesis: Customisation VI has some options for religion. I suspect it has a high load order number than this one, and and its religion scripts are loading after yours.

Possible fix: with respect to customised starting distances, Zegangani has a check box line in the options menu, with the explanation that if left unchecked, his mod's AssignStartingPlots.lua file is not loaded at all - so as to avoid incompatibility issues with other mods that use a modded version of that file. Perhaps if asked politely, Zegangani might be able to do something similar here.

This goes so well with Hojo Tokimune and Saladin.

Can you be more specific?

You sure? Because i dont think i got the bonuses

It's already compatible with them.

any chance for compatibility with district expansions?

Increases load time depending on amount of mods too. At times it took even 10 minutes to create a new game. It's the only one of your secret societies mod that does this.

After conducting some tests, I've found that this mod somewhat increases the loading time on larger maps. Smaller maps are fine.

Does the temple replacement get bonuses from stuff like feed the world?

I found out what the problem was. The Knights are triggered when an Envoy is sent to a City State, not when I clear a Barbarian Camp or a Tribal Village.

Seems to work for me!

Hello. I've been testing this mod all day, and it seems the Knights never spawn in my games. All of the other new Societies spawn except for this one. I have all of your Secret Societies Mods installed plus a mod that tweaks Policies, and another that tweaks every unit promotion. Can you help, please? Thanks.