Update

update to 1.27?

ai seems that they will not turn to monastic_order_government .
Then I change like this:
ai_will_do = {
factor = 1
}
ai_importance = 400
ai agrees this decision at once.

Great idea

Thanks!

@McLovin Skies

C:\Users\(username)\Documents\Paradox Interactive\Europa Universalis IV/mod/holy_order.zip/common/cb_types

Since this is in a zip file I used 7 zip file manager to open it. I just searched for imperialism in the file and replaced the 23 with a 68 to better match ET. Then saved it.

how do I edit the file so I can use it on extended timeline?

But at the moment my computer's broken so I'm playing on a mac and I can't edit the mod files :/

correct

Just checked extended timeline files, the imperialism CB for that says 68.

cb_holy_order = {
valid_for_subject = yes

prerequisites = {
NOT = { dip_tech = 23 }

So I am assuming I change this 23 to a 68 to make it work better wtih extended timeline?

Ohhhhh that's probably it.
so if the cb only works till diplo tech 23 then it won't work with extended timeline :/ Thanks though

Anonymous Awesomeness - The first one wouldnt have worked cus they are still christians. The client states ones is intentional. This cb only works till diplo tech 23 (same as client states), this is because the imperialism cb is much better so i just assumed no one would use it and theirfore didnt want to clog up the ui. You can easily turn it on in the file if u like. such comment out the diplotech limit

So I've tried and failed twice-no, three times to create this type of vassal. Once I vassalized an orthodox nation, convered it to christianity, and then created the Holy Order. I'm guessing the reason I didn't receive the casus belli was because the neighbors were Orthodox. The other two times I created a client state in the Belearic Islands (no cb because no direct land connection?) and in Oran (no cb just because client state originally?)

so basically a march with a religous focus that can be annexed. Does having its own CB mean it can declare wars on its own? or do I still have to declare it for them with their CB?

I think uploading it separatly might be a good idea so maybe I can just use his assassination anyway. Excited for the new mod too

I wouldnt want it to conflict. I will put a note in the file telling you how to delete that action. Prob wont make it visable untill you have the 100 spy network anyway. or it will clog up the ui with all the new spy actions. OR, as many people may find that action OP i will most likely upload it seperatly. Might be a few days till i get that mod up and going. Was planning on modding today but let plays for battletech were calling.

Looks like the other diplomatic mod has it at 100 spy network too. Is there a way for yours to overwrite his assassinate action so I dont have 2 of them? Whenver yours is released of course :)

Should be in real game

This mod shouldnt effect either of those

Atm, mine requires spy ideas, 100 spy network, costs an extra 1000 gold, and gives a huge opinion penalty to everyone (plus extra to the country used on). Its more of a "put public bounty on their king" than a spy action. But i brought back the code paradox removed for a stealthy version. If you have high enough spy in a nation you can get a free event to kill ruler - rare to happen but hardly any penalties compared to the instant action ability.

Those look like great ideas. The other mod has it if you pick espionage ideas or until renaissance you can assassinate. Have not played through it yet.

haha ignore the "try again" after buy truce. I failed at making that the other day. Wanted to give it another go

I made a basic assassination one to test the code a while back. Its a bit basic tho, kinda op. How did that other mod balance it?

Just made a list of possible ones:
Spy: -- all cost spy network. Some may also cost money or other things based on balance
steal monarch points
steal manpower
steal money
add inflation
take legitmacy / trad / dev / horde / merit
reduce prest
reduce stab
reduce tradition
Reduce morale
Reduce dicipline

General:
buy join hre
buy truce try again
maybe buy historical friend
buy papal influence

Hi what kind of spy actions? Because I am using the additional diplomatic actions mod for Et
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=956433850

This adds ruler assassination so I am just wondering if your New actions would not mix well with these.

Sounds good. Will try to get to it as soon as i can. Currently working on a new array of spy actions for those with espionage ideas. So after i get through with that

A compromise might be to make the option available to all Catholic Theocracies, but give it a large diplo penalty. The Papacy could then get a new national idea allowing to create Holy Orders without the penalty.

rasputin - they have alot more liberty desire. so you cant have too many without it becoming a cash drain to keep them loyal. And thanks for reminding me they were anexable, i must have forgot to turn that off, will fix that today with the next big update. I kinda to want to limit them to the papacy but i think a lot of people will ask to be allowed to use them without being the papacy. Might add a diplo option for only the papacy to use (bit like diplo vassalise). Also a small stacking liberty desire per holy order for extra balance

Interesting but you really need to add some negatives to stop this from being completely OP.
NO diplo slot, acts as a march, only more powerful, and on top of that can be annexed?
What's stopping Spain or Austria from designating as many vassals as possible as Holy Orders and conquering all of Europe by 1600?
The master should at least be a Catholic Theocracy themselves, and get some pretty steep diplo penalties with all non-Catholic nations. Limiting it to the Papacy makes sense, never felt they had enough work put into them compared the HRE.

cody - yes. Both this one and the protectorate one should both work now

So can we leave the mod subscribed now?

Lakortar - Big thanks :) . Cant believe i overlooked that

Niska - can be added in the subject types file if you would like to add it. Add this to the holy order section " enforce_culture = yes" But theirs no way to effect it cost as that is in the defines file and would effect unions as well

what about making it so that your culture can be enforced like a union member? would suggest a slightly higher cost to do so though.

Regarding your mod not working as a .zip:
That's probably a problem with case sensitivity. In your .zip change the 'Common' folder's name to 'common' and in your .mod change the 'archive=mod/Holy_Order.zip' line to 'archive=mod/holy_order.zip'.
The descriptor.mod doesn't matter, that's just automatically generated for the workshop.

Anaxim - right now i tried to balance it by making them have higher liberty desire. That can be toned up or down in the files at will. It is possible to give them events for zealot type rebels or events that hurt relations with neigbouring religious rivals. May see if i can find time to get around to it

This would be great in the base game if it has some sort of balance.If only it had a few negatives to deal with.Maybe zealots entering nearby lands and getting them pissed and a free casus belli

joker - read the bottom of the mod descr (just above the comments). Explains how to get it working

Aoi - Sadly too hard to code atm. If you want (for the role play aspect) you could go into the subject type folder and make them customisable so you can rename them

imo you shouldnt be able to force other nations to holy orders, they should be creatable like the client states, but the rest of this seems awesome

how to run this ?? please help

Now my dreams of making the ottomans a monastic order can come true! thank you!

Just make sure you dont put it in the brackets "FROM = {..... }"

thnks

ɌƗȻꝀŦɆɌ - Thats not a bad idea actualy. Open the folder new_diplomatic_actions and open 01_create_holy_order_action. Under Create_Holy_Order is a section called "is_visible = {
} " Add this "is_papal_controller = yes" and remove "technology_group = western" and "always = yes"

is there a way so that only the papal controler can do this? the only one who has the ability to create new catholic orders is the pope

Cool mod