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Fine tuning a drift car?
By Ham uwu 6969
Ever wanted to fine tune a drift car setting copied from someone else, feeling the need to fix it to personal taste?

Well... the answer is 3.
   
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Introduction
*Now with my own tuning approach for no handbrake drift technique

Instead of learning and experiment with all the settings, how about troubleshoot directly?

It's best troubleshoot down the list from this way:

0. Set the global settings to a fixed point, best to keep TC and ESP completely off while having ABS on, and adjust Drift Assist over time and preference.
  • TC so far has no use at all, aren't you suppose to drift?
  • ABS are personal taste, but unless you know what ABS off does, keep it on.
  • ESP in general reduce the flexibility of the car for stability, best to keep it off.
  • Drift Assist is a very personal preference and important settings, best to experiment on what setting fits you. Avoid changing too frequent.

1. Over/understeer issue in general
  • Started with a fresh car or a new tune? Just throw the car around and see how it reacts in general, like does it turn or does it turn too much?
  • This part is just to make a car that can steers properly and enter/exit drifting easily.

2. Drifting angle issue
  • Drifting angle refers to the angle the car is drifting vs the actual direction it's going.
  • No matter how car steers normally when gripping, when you started drifting, it now may over/understeer differently. Normally you want to have a car that can endlessly drift in anytime, and having a right drift angle matters.

3. Throttle control issue
  • After working out the oversteer/understeer in general, where you should have a car that is at least steering properly, then you test out if the car react as you wanted with throttle control.
  • You want to be able to force the car to throttle oversteer when needed, but not to the point of touching throttle means spinning out.

4. Braking instability issue
  • Lastly, one might want to adjust braking settings to do...braking stuff.. but properly? Generally braking is stable and not important in drifting at all, but extreme setup may cause some instability.

5. Repeat
  • Fine tuning is a process of continuous testing, so work down the list again or just keep troubleshooting.
Troubleshoot Section
Best to try higher position solution before going lower:

1. Car is understeering too much in general?
  • +aero distribution
  • +rear ARB
  • -front ARB
  • -front camber
  • +rear camber
  • +tyre grip front
  • -tyre grip rear
  • -Drift Assist (!!avoid changing too frequently!!)

2. Car is oversteering too much in general?
  • -aero distribution
  • +front ARB
  • -rear ARB
  • -rear camber
  • +tyre grip rear
  • -tyre grip front
  • +front camber
  • +Drift Assist (!!avoid changing too frequently!!)

3. Not enough drifting angle(understeer)?
  • +tyre grip front
  • -front camber
  • +rear camber
  • -tyre grip rear
  • +rear ARB
  • -front ARB
  • +aero distribution
  • -Drift Assist (!!avoid changing too frequently!!)

4. Too much drifting angle(oversteer)?
  • -rear camber
  • +tyre grip rear
  • +front ARB
  • -rear ARB
  • -aero distribution
  • -tyre grip front
  • +front camber
  • +Drift Assist (!!avoid changing too frequently!!)

5. Car refuse to drift under throttle?
  • -rear tyre grip
  • +aero distribution

6. Car loses grip too fast or drift too much under throttle?
  • +rear tyre grip
  • -aero distribution
  • Improve your throttle control
  • Uninstall game

7. Car loses control while braking?
  • brake balance to more center
  • -brake power

8. Car understeer while braking?
  • +brake balance
  • finish braking earlier before turn in

9. Car oversteer while braking?
  • don't brake?
  • -brake balance

10. Car dies to every bumps?
  • reduce suspension stiffness
  • balance out tyre grip front/rear to reduce over/understeer after bump
  • reduce ARB F/R
How I tune
let's say I got a new drift car, now how do I start the tuning, or how I fine tune it? I do these:
note that I don't use handbrake and this tuning may not like handbrake at all

Initial setup
  • Global are always same, I use 0,10,0,10
  • Starting from bottom, I install my generic ARB setup of F/R at 10/10. You should have your own generic ARB preferences of your own on all drift cars.
  • Then the camber, I also use generic camber setup of F/R at 0/2. You should have your own generic camber setup on all drift car too.
  • As for suspension (comp&reb, F/R) I just slapped 10 on all 4, doesn't matter much anyway.
  • Shift brake balance to generic preference, I set mine to rear bias of 3, find your generic balance, generally transferable.
  • Done initial setup, now to test drive.

Test drive tuning
  • Now that I have an initial setup, time to yeet the boys on the street, just drift around on the street or something.
  • Next, I probe for general over/understeeriness, if the car understeer(generally always is) and didn't turn in well, I adjust the aero distribution to front, by 1 tick or a few ticks depends on how bad it is, until the car somewhat turn and drift around to good range.
  • Then I test the throttle drift, if the car refuse to drift under preferred throttle amount, I reduce rear tyre grip until it can spin the wheel under demand with throttle control, but not too much till it spins endlessly.
  • After rear tyre grip are done, it is time to balance out the front tyre grip to fix the excessive oversteering induced from reduced rear tyre grip. Generally I reduce the front until it is again slight oversteery on drifting, or to a point that it can maintain it neutral in drift.
  • Done, now hit a drift track that you are more used to.

Final track tuning
  • Now hit the track, the goal is now to maintain similar drift experience like other drift car, test if the car can clear the track easily like I preferred.
  • If the car does not maintain the over/understeer right in general, I adjust aero balance closer to balanced, it should hold a drift effortlessly across a corner with no noticeable over/understeer.
  • If the car grip the rear too much and didn't drift, or it is so slidy it keep overspin under minor throttle, I adjust rear grip back to the point it drifts just right with minimal throttle.
  • And it's done for me, I don't rely on other pro tuning.
  • However, camber tuning can improve experience, where adjusting rear camber(keeping the front at 0) to adjust the drift angle without ruining the rear tyre grip tuning or overall grip balance. Less rear camber for less drift angle and vice versa.
Rubbish Explanation Section
In case you haven't read or learn what is pro settings, well, better off finding elsewhere first. What I cover here is drift specific, and sometimes confusing if you never know what is pro tuning.

Global
TC - Generally keep this off.
  • How much do you want the car to cut off your power? Never on a drift car. This setting is super aggressive that it will just cut off your throttle when tire loses grip.

ABS - Reduce if you plan to use wheel locking under braking to your advantage(?)
  • Fancy some brake bias assisted wheel locking? Turn this off and adjust brake bias. What ABS does is just prevent wheel locking under braking.

ESP - Generally keep this off as well.
  • A less aggressive TC that slightly reduce power and wheelspin when cornering. Usually this reduce excessive power and allow the car to be more stable, but it also make the car slower and reduce the control with aggressive throttle. Basically turn on for stability, turn off for precision. just turn it off.

Drift Assist - Personal taste.
  • DA basically countersteer for you, adjusting how much DA means adjusting how much it countersteer without user input. Less DA gives more responsive control, but car will be more oversteery and spins out more easily. Increase if you are countersteering too much by yourself, or when the car is actively spinning out when drifting. This setting can cause certain drift angle locking.

Specific
Aero Distribution
  • Tire grip distribution between front and rear. Front aero also improve steering response. Most important tuning for balancing drift angle and over/understeer.

Gearbox
  • Reducing gearbox can give more aggressive gearing, but it's actually more useful in finding the right RPM range for the right gear. Generally not important.

Tire Grip Front
  • Reducing front tyre grip can reduce oversteer, but usually it's better off reduce aero distribution instead, before thinking about this setting.
  • Balancing front-to-rear grip should be done by first finding the right rear grip, and reduce front for the sweet spot.

Tire Grip Rear
  • Reducing rear tyre grip can increase oversteer, but better off increasing aero distribution and rear camber first.
  • It also allow the rear to spin easier under throttle, reduce a little if car refuses to lose grip under throttle.

Brake Power
  • Usually with ABS on, turning down brake power does about nothing than increasing braking distance. Braking in drift car is more important for adjusting drift than to actually stop, so reduce brake power if using aggressive brake balance that causes some control loss under braking.
  • With ABS off, adjusting brake power can help fine tuning the point of wheel lock, so you can use brake bias to induce both under or oversteer with wheel locking or not. As if we do that lol.

Brake Balance
  • Braking power over front and rear. Personal taste.
  • Front brake balance allows user to increase steering angle with braking(ABS on) or actually reduce steering angle by locking the front wheel up(ABS off).
  • Rear brake bias allow user to regain control more easily from drifting, by reducing drift angle when close to spinning out(ABS on) or make the rear end to further loses grip(ABS off). Rear bias tends to be more stable.
  • Mid biased is neutral. For when you refuse to make a choice.
  • Braking distance is really really not the point in a drift car, so don't bother tuning it for braking distance.

Susp Comp Front/Rear &Susp Reb Front/Rear
  • Just your daily suspension fine tuning, has less effect on steering than any other settings, Usually you would want to keep them as high as possible for more predictable suspension movement, but reducing them and balancing the front/rear to keep it stable in bumpy tracks.
  • Also I don't really know how to tune this part anyway.

Camber Front/Rear
  • Camber is just like tires grip, but they are more of cornering only.
  • Less camber gives more cornering grip and front/rear balance can change drift angle. Generally okay to keep it at 0, weird camber setup may cause weird response staring at meta handbrake spamming drift.

ARB Front/Rear
  • More ARB gives slightly stiffer suspension, slight better steering response, and front/rear balance slight steering angle balancing. Generally okay to max them out.
  • increasing front ARB reduce oversteer(or cause understeer) and increasing rear ARB reduce understeer(or cause oversteer). setting a F/R balance for more accurate over/understeer.
Disagree?
Just yells at me or give feedback. Either will do.
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3 Comments
Vallala 14 Aug @ 11:39am 
thx
Xtremedamage 10 Jul, 2021 @ 6:13am 
i legit went from 3 seconds drifts to actually chaining multiple corners Ty for this explation!
Car27racer 23 Jun, 2021 @ 11:23am 
This helps a lot, it actually feels like drifting (to me anyway) rather than helplessly sliding. Thanks a bunch!