so? whats the verdict on it? is it good, bad, etc?

inb4 banned by comp

and because people, valve and myself are lazy its ubercharge could be the projectile shield/rez from mvm

with the gameplay direction tf2 has had over time, powercreep with no forethought, could they make a medigun to match that? like say a medigun that builds uber faster for every time it extinguishes a teammate/ removes bleed jarate mad milk just by healing. and or has a passive bonus that negates lasting effects and on hit effects for the healer and target? so like an enemy would gain no health when shooting the medic/target with the blackbox, or even if an engineer gets a meatshot 8) he would get no metal back vs this no effects medigun user. it seems no less situationally contrived than the vaccinator which cant even stand on its own and niche exists purely because of a crit blocking bug

engineer wrenches
imbued with an ancient power
+25 max health on wearer
stupid triple punch crit mechanic
on hit: bleed for 5 seconds
+15.79% faster building contruction rate
alt fire teleport to spawn

no random crits
replaces the sentry with a fast building minisentry
20% fire damage vulnerability on wearer
25% damage penalty
cannot carry buildings

all scout melees

alt fire launches a mean stunball that also causes bleed on hit
on hit victim bleeds
on hit: one victim at a time is marked for death
on kill with any weapon a small healthkit is dropped
crits vs burning targets
getting hit is humuliating
grants triple jump costing the user 10 health in the process

-15 max health
30% slower firing speed
-90% damage penalty vs players
-25% damage penalty vs buildings
on miss: hit yourself. idiot.
25% explosive damage vulnerability on wearer

so like this proposition is the concept of having every weapons stats for unlockables of that slot all in one. so like a soldier melee that had all the attributes of the equalizer, esc plan, disp action, pain train, half zatoichi, and market gardner all at the same time? and then this done for everything where applicable

not a necro cause I didnt feel like making a new thread for what essentially already exists in some form. more to the point just some thoughts I've been mulling over after watching old commentaries. now I'm not a big spy guy, I'll admit it. but aside from the big earner the kunai just has such a drastic downside right out the gate. its been suggested before that maybe you only have like 80 health so you could take rocket splash without dying or 1 single melee hit. yea dead ringer is a thing, but spy shouldnt be forced to only use x with y because otherwise itll get you killed cause 60 base health. but on top of that the bonus of the kunai is the super mega overheals. making use of them is tricky however. something I thought up is like what if maybe the overheal doesnt fade while cloaked? and or maybe while disguised or something I dunno.

another rather off topic suggestion is regarding everyones balanced engie primary. I speak only of the pomson. folks hate it. lets give engie a means to counter his counter... by spamming. now valve has already changed it up so its not the same kinda nuisance it was at launch but they did so in a way that at its core its still a spammy counter counter. I was thinking bring its damage back to how it was before, so it would be like the bison, return the ability to hit multiple things. however the drains only apply on direct shots. so if you shoot at a pyro and theres a cloaked spy behind him he takes damage but looses no cloak. or maybe make the drains only work within a certain distance. hell maybe have them do both.

and in no particular order, force a nature give it knockback on alt fire and a double donk/direct hit minicrits stuff knocked by pushing. at least then it could pretend it isnt the worst scout weapon.

beggars bazooka. rez the ability to divebomb with a full clip with it. I'm never got around to making use of this as its only reliable on certain stages on some maps but I fail to see how forcing yourself to take repeated self damage as well as the fall and whatever incidental upon meeting your target for 100% of the time is a suicide mission but for prime targets. I dont see valve reversing this ever since they really dont like rollouts and jumping now. despite that being a thing in the source engine.

no idea what but the bison seriously needs something. not passives or extra 'decpatiates things that are crouching' nonsense. just as a secondary its lacking vs the shotgun.

scottish rez: stickies take reduced knockback. splendid screen: change up the resistences so its not a watered down chargin targe. maybe for boolets and melee. like a REAL demoknight. claheahurouhuhmor needs a rework as of today. its no longer the scripters sword, which even then is hardly an excuse to lower your health.

brass beast: knockback resistence while deployed. and prolly dial back the move speed penalty while deployed a bit. still slower than the other minis, but heavy is slow enough already

wrangler: make it not godmode for sentries already. its ridiculous. at least no one uses it because its not sexy or talented like the luger. but if they did... short circuit was bad. then it became too good. now its almost as bad as it was originally. I think its downside should instead of preventing you from recieving metal while active is the implementation of an incrementl metal cost for firing. which now to remove more than 1 thing at a time is really expensive and isnt sustainable for a nest unless youve got like 3 other engines in which case your team is all turtled up anyways. south hosp/jag: make jag construct things as fast it its description says. make southern not like it is now. engie isnt a demoknight, scout or spy. going rambo with no random melee crits in exchange for damage over time- not a good tradeoff. unrelated but I would like to see valve make a wrench option that functions like the eureka effect, but you have a minisentry.

blutsauger: I propose just making it the beta ogredoes. a damage/clip size penalty in exchange for mad milking targets. in this way you can still go battle medic to heal yourself but you can provide indirect healing to the rest of the team. better than a 'go battle medic things cause you regen health slowly'. current overdoes is mostly redundant given how the quick fix now keeps up with everything that jumps, runs, charges, etc. vac is whack.

its no surprise a game such as tf2 will change over time and the playerbase adapts preferences to reflect that. most notably when a new weapon is added or an existing one tweaked. something I've noticed of late is the extraordinary abundance of phlog pyros in every game on account of strange phlog. oddly half of all phlog weilding pyros in games only have a unique quality. doesn't even have killstreaks active. now I tend to play certain maps more than others but what other kinds of 'new meta' has been observed as of recent trends with weapon changes, strange availability, etc

if they did decide to split it I reckon most folks would go for the speed boost nature split powerjack. the health it restores is nice and all, but the greater movement speed is where it shines