Well (Drawing on past experience again, here) in a tournament group that would get up to 60-70 players for each weekly tourney, I have never seen any issues with reporting.

I have never seen that happen. And if that happens, I say we DQ them both. lol

But really, in a tournament setting, most players will end up leaving the chat after getting knocked out, and it's usually pretty crushing to get knocked out early. So I can't imagine anyone would legitimately want to cheat and lie their way through the brackets, knowing that they were defeated.

Especially if this is a group designed for honest, sportsmanlike players. I wouldn't worry about it.

Originally posted by Tymp4nista:

But the loser reporting system sounds interesting, especially since all the matches could theoretically be running at the same time.

It's worked flawless for the ~8 months of experience I've had with it. :P

Sweet. 2v2 would certainly work, but I don't know about FFA, just because someone could theoretically win the tournament by staying out of combat until there's one survivor. In a 1v1 or 2v2 (Something where it's one side against the other), everyone needs to fight.

Regarding having a third-party host for the matches, I suppose it could work, but it wouldn't get rid of any ping-related advantages. Whoever has the better ping to the host would still have the upper hand, but I think the way maps are built could absolutely limit that advantage. And if we have someone host each of the matches, then we can only have so many running at the same time, and the overall speed of the tournament would be a lot slower.

Having the loser report the results has worked really well in all the LL tournaments I've been a part of, simply because if the loser wants to be bitter about it and claim they won, then... They aren't the loser, and they wouldn't be reporting. And I've honestly never seen someone adamantly claim they won when they haven't, anyway.

I mentioned this in the tournament thread, but regarding tourney-friendly maps, things like spawning on weapons, or spawning equidistant to the same weapon, should absolutely be avoided.

I'm not really a fan of timed weapon spawns, cause I kind of feel like they're just there to put an abrupt end to the fight- If a battle goes on long enough for a blue shotgun to spawn, for example, it changes the dynamic of the fight, and one side is going to end up with the advantage. Sure, the faster player gets it, and maybe the better player can win without it, but I feel like it adds a "race element" to it. It changes a tactical battle with pistols, crouched behind desks, throwing boxes to try to disarm your opponent, or attempting to loop around to a "I was closest to the spawn and now I'm gonna chase you down until one or both of us are dead" fight. Which is fun, but from a competitive, tournament-minded viewpoint, is really a boring finale.

If there's going to be some kind of super weapon, I'd say there should be a couple, and they should be technically difficult to reach. Mostly due to lag- If it's easy for multiple players to reach a weapon at the same time, you end up with the "wrong hands" bug for someone, and that's just frustrating. And with there being a couple (Say, a revolver and a sniper rifle), then just because you lose the race to one weapon doesn't necessarily leave you outmatched in firepower, although you'll still be at a disadvantage for a bit, and your opponent could camp the other weapon. But it allows for the possibility to even the odds again.

I'd say excessive sources of high speed (jet packs, grappling hooks, spring) should be avoided, just because of the laggy situations that arise from them. If the online was better (Which I don't think is possible, and I mainly consider it a result of how fast-paced the game is), I wouldn't have an issue with it, but as it is, every kill I get and every time I get killed, while flying past someone, just feels like such a strong disconnect. I'm never killed exactly where I am, and I know that the lag didn't really play any part, but it just doesn't feel right, if that makes sense.

Anyway, that's all I have in mind for now. Enjoy the wall of text. :P

Challonge is undoubtedly the best tool to use for setting up tournaments- We've been using it for Lethal League tournaments for... I think it'll be a year, soon. I'd definitely be up for helping out with the hosting, and I'm willing to bet something like 12pm PST on a Saturday would be open to the most people. Plus, it would allow for weekly tournaments in a predictable fashion.

Regarding host advantage, I think the tournaments should wait until after the update is released, so we can build specific, tournament-friendly maps- Stages where host advantage isn't nearly as much of a factor, so I'm thinking no spawning on or equidistant to the same weapon, and restrict vertical fighting (lots of springs and jetpacks, for example, where it results in players shooting as they fly past each other).

With the brackets generated via Challonge, only select people can edit the scores, so we can just have everyone present in the group chat for the tournament (If they aren't present when it starts, they're disqualified). Then we just have the loser for each match to report the winner and the score, and we put those into the bracket. Having the loser report will prevent anyone trying to lie.

Then for the matches themselves, we could just default to top seed for hosting, unless the players decide otherwise, play the tournament-verified stages, play to 10, and do a set of three for semis and finals.

When I have free time, I'm just going to be hanging out in the group chat. It's a simple way to communicate with each other, and you can join someone's game without adding them as a friend that way.

I think I've only seen one or two people use the chat, though. Remember it's there, guys. It's handy. :P

Finished. And now, we wait...

It's almost done! Gimme maybe another hour.