It's especially confusing because I don't think police normally break computers in loud.

Something's screwy with the PEOC objectives, idk the details. I went loud after the vault was open and got a HUD indicator to use a highlighted computer.

OK, thanks. Time to manually assign debugs to every SO on that side of the map, I guess... this would be a lot easier if I could replicate the bug.

I'm trying to understand exactly how the areaminpoliceforce element and structure works- what it calls, what units satisfy it, etc.

It may be key to a bug in a heist edit I'm working on, and more broadly I think it might be related to a set of AI pathing bugs effecting a bunch of heists.

I had previously believed it called a separate set of spawngroups that Jules had disabled several months ago, but I now believe it is sometimes just calling...any enemy NPC in the map, at what seems to be a random point in time after it is activated. This is a problem for my edit, because the heist is calling stationary guards to walk over to the drill in stealth.

Ah, I see. I've never seen the roof dozers active, so I'd assumed it was disabled because it seemed intended to interact with the open hatches event.

Going to compile info on the heist here. I have some documentation of the scripted ambush information and the extra loot, but I need to gather the other relevant information.

General Snipers:
All controlled under element 100512 spawn_random_snipers_2

1 max on N/H, 2 max on VH/OVK, else 3.

Turrets (dummied out): would have spawned a turret in one of three swat van locations on VH or over.

Ambushes: difficulty determines and activates a set of different possible ambush behaviors. the higher the difficulty, the more options there are. After the difficulty filter activates the ambush events, the game selects one of them from groups a, b and c.

delay on loop is 60-120 seconds.

1(NH):
´smoke´ DISABLED
2 ´generic_swats´ DISABLED
3 ´shield_wall´ DISABLED
4 ´blue_shields´ DISABLED
5 ´spawn_swats´ DISABLED
6 ´spawn_swats004´ DISABLED

2(VH/OD):
1 ´snipers_in_helicopter´ DISABLED
2 ´snipers_on_roof´ DISABLED
3 ´hiding_cloakers´ DISABLED
4 ´shield_wall´ DISABLED
5 ´generic_swats´ DISABLED
6 ´tear_gas´ DISABLED
7 ´smoke´ DISABLED
8 ´green_dozers´ DISABLED
9 ´black_dozers´ DISABLED
10 ´green_shields´ DISABLED
11 ´green_dozers001´ DISABLED
12 ´black_dozers001´ DISABLED
13 ´random_outside_dozers´ DISABLED
14 ´random_roof_dozers´ DISABLED
15 ´spawn_swats001´ DISABLED
16 ´spawn_swats005´ DISABLED

3(MH/DW):
1 ´generic_swats´ DISABLED
2 ´shield_wall´ DISABLED
3 ´snipers_in_helicopter´ DISABLED
4 ´snipers_on_roof´ DISABLED
5 ´hiding_cloakers´ DISABLED
6 ´tear_gas´ DISABLED
7 ´smoke´ DISABLED
8 ´skull´ DISABLED
9 ´black_dozers´ DISABLED
10 ´dw_shields´ DISABLED
11 ´black_dozers001´ DISABLED
12 ´skull001´ DISABLED
13 ´open_hatches´ DISABLED
14 ´random_outside_dozers´ DISABLED
15 ´random_roof_dozers´ DISABLED
16 ´spawn_swats002´ DISABLED
17 ´spawn_swats006´ DISABLED

4(DS):
1 ´smoke´ DISABLED
2 ´tear_gas´ DISABLED
3 ´generic_swats´ DISABLED
4 ´shield_wall´ DISABLED
5 ´snipers_in_helicopter´ DISABLED
6 ´snipers_on_roof´ DISABLED
7 ´hiding_cloakers´ DISABLED
8 ´zeal´ DISABLED
9 ´od_shields´ DISABLED
10 ´zeal001´ DISABLED
11 ´open_hatches´ DISABLED
12 ´random_outside_dozers´ DISABLED
13 ´random_roof_dozers´ DISABLED
14 ´spawn_swats003´ DISABLED
15 ´spawn_swats007´ DISABLED

Of all of these possible outcomes, I believe that roof dozers(the '001s'), open hatches, tear gas, and snipers in helicopter are all disabled, incomplete or dummied out. Some of these entries are also simultaneously enabling subsidiary elements that are nested within events. A simplified list is:

N/H:
smoke bombs
a shield wall (blue shields)
generic swat groups

VH/OVK:
A sniper
A pair of cloakers flanking a traincar door
a shield wall (fbi shields)
smoke bombs in the train
2 green or black dozers outside the train
generic swat groups

MH/DW:
A sniper
A pair of cloakers flanking a traincar door
a shield wall ("dw shields", need to look up what they are)
smoke bombs in the train
2 skull or black dozers outside the train
generic swat groups

OD:
A sniper
A pair of zeal cloakers flanking a traincar door
a shield wall ("dw shields", need to look up what they are)
smoke bombs in the train
2 zealdozers outside the train. I believe this cannot include minigun or medic dozers.
generic swat groups

the pool of groups then is used to select what happens.
group a:
snipers_on_roof´ (delay 0) DISABLED
´hiding_cloakers´ (delay 0) DISABLED
´random_roof_dozers´

As I think random roof dozers are disabled, it's always cloakers or a sniper. Nothing happens on N/H.

group b:
´generic_swats´ (delay 0) DISABLED
´random_outside_dozers´ (delay 0) DISABLED
´shield_wall´ (delay 0)

a shield wall or generic swat on N/H, with a pair of dozers also an option on higher difficulties. There are several options for the swat spawns for each difficulty set, but I think that just effects location and appearance of the enemies.

group c:
´smoke´ (delay 0) DISABLED
´logic_link_002´ (delay 0)
´none001´ (delay 0)

logic link and none seem to do nothing. So a 1 in three chance of smoke, basically.

I'll rewrite and bottom line this section for the guide later on in a subsequent post.

Loot:
4 bags cash in locked area with captain. 4 bags weapons in cases throughout area. Easily missable weapons are in or on crates near the ships.


Diff values:

I'm particularly having trouble sussing out the final, seemingly buggy escape objective.

I can think of of mappers and modders doing map edits who would find some sort of visualization of several elements of the structure of scripts handy. I'll link them in and see what they might be able to contribute to the conversation.

Here's the thing- I'm still trying to set up a test with modified values, but we're pretty sure that at least some of these, like shield_cover, are actually working. All of the tactics we've been able to find are, according to dev file annotations, assigned based on spawngroup leader tactic set. The ones we can't find appear to all apply to the individual unit.

So it appears likely that we're missing something.

In thinking about it, you're right, unless there's a separate activate, it will just fail to do anything. So it can call a nullity, then.

I believe the other option is called, but frankelstner will have to weigh in. Certainly I've never failed to have an ambush spawn of one kind or another on my runs.