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DrewUniverse 27 Nov, 2014 @ 1:59pm
[Top Priority] Season 1 Tournament Format REVIEW & FINALIZE
Okay, so I should have written this a week or more ago. Hell, months ago. But here it is, let's get through it, and thank you for trusting me!

Okay, so we have a bit of an interesting situation. Our current format groups all disciplines into each tier. I.E. all Tier 1 drivers race in all disciplines under the same rankings sheet. This creates an unfair standings advantage for anyone who A: likes entering all events evenly, and/or B: is very good at several disciplines. However, the rankings are what they are for Season 1, but I want that changed in Season 2; more on that in a new thread. For now, though, let's stay on topic.

What this means, is that unless we only represent one discipline at the championships (we really can't do that) we have to put the same ten drivers in five different discipline tournaments. Per tier. Sounds broken but none of us foresaw this going in and we need to ride it out; I take responsibility as I proposed this format change. Additionally, the natural possibility that some drivers won't be at each event will help keep the driver list varied and the lobby filled. I believe I can sustain that much broadcasting, but it'll be a tight squeeze unless we push back Season 2 a few weeks or a month.

So we're looking at fifteen finals events. Three for each discipline, one per tier. We need to decide on the lone car class we will use in each set, although some of the choices will be easy/obvious due to popularity reasons, or that there aren't many car classes in a given tier/discipline.

Here is the rough format for now. It requires discussion or at least approval. Top priority decisions belong to the tiers where I've listed more than one discipline. A short copy-paste form is found just below, for you to fill out and reply with.

Endurance

Tier 1: GT2
Tier 2: GT1
Tier 3: GT Ultimate

Tuner

Tier 1: Classic Muscle or JDM
Tier 2: Muscle or Modified
Tier 3: Super Modified

Street

Tier 1: Coupe
Tier 2: Grand Tourer
Tier 3: Supercar or Hypercar

Open Wheel

Tier 1: Formula C
Tier 2: Formula B or Atom V8
Tier 3: Formula A

Touring

Tier 1: Category C
Tier 2: Super Utes or Cat B
Tier 3: Super Tourers


If you're going to reply to this topic in any way, I ask you to also include the following form copy-pasted and filled out in your reply here, choosing your suggestion for which car class to use out of what's listed. If you have comments on why you made your choices at the end of the list, not in each line.

Tuner Tier 1: Classic Muscle or JDM

Tuner Tier 2: Muscle or Modified

Street Tier 3: Supercar or Hypercar

Touring Tier 2: Super Utes or Category B

Open Wheel Tier 2: Formula B or Atom V8

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Tournament Setup, & Caster and Co-caster Roles


I will do most or all of the broadcasting (I need another streamer ASAP, see other thread). In order to make the game respect our season standings, we will do a parade lap on X track, finishing in ranked standings order as per our standings page. This will set the proper standings; in example, Amhpy will be ranked 1st in Grid Order for tier 3 events, on real track 1 (game track 2). Four tracks will go on. From there, we have a short intermission to respect driver energy/bathroom breaks etc. We'll re-convene with a second 5-track set. The first track is again, a parade lap for grid order. However, to be more balanced, the grid order will be based on the driver point totals from the first four tracks; in other words, the event leaders. This prevents the top-ranked driver from risk of getting too much automatic domination, I feel. Then we resume with four regular tracks.

In order to enforce the grid order, the parade tracks will start with myself or other event host rolling off the start line (What!?), and the top ranked driver will be called on in voice chat by the co-caster, or the event host if necessary. Then the rank-2 driver, and so on. We stay in a line and finish the lap that way. Caster and Co-caster will be at the front and rear of the pack, respectively. Their main RaceNet Club must be set to GASR Officiators [GAS], for our simulated pace-car livery to show and give culture to the parade laps. #WeGiveADamnToMakeGreatRacingLeague.


As for points, I think it is only fair to keep the same point system in place until we're done with the finals. If anyone disagrees, they need to make a case pretty fast, and get agreement from majority of the staff. I am sorry for the short time-frame on this; going forward, we'll have all this planned out ahead of time. Top point-earners will


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Moving on, the dates and setup of these events. Those of you who have replied in the other thread, seem to like the 8-track format per event. I'll go with that for now. This will double our event length, roughly. On that basis I am not comfortable with more than two finals, maybe three in a single Saturday if I am the only streamer. We're talking about going back to the six-hour-or-more Saturdays I gave up for you guys :P just teasing, but that is my personal limit. With two events each Saturday, the finals will take seven to eight weeks. With three events, five weeks. I may suggest that we include Sunday, to help our timeline in general. We could go 4/4/4/3 per weekend, to get done by December 27th. However, I need to message everyone in the top ~25 or so per tier, and ask if they can attend Sunday; let alone Saturday. Worst-case scenario I'll do three events over five weeks, but this will stretch my data cap. You guys might be surprised at how easy it is to go over 300GB a month; even without watching shows, HD videos, or game downloads.

We start on December 6th, just over a week from now. Ideally we'll be done by December 27th. I'll definitely want a co-caster for -every- event, so we need to line that up and probably ping our community for help with that. I would love to have any recurring driver with a half-decent microphone, or even a new face if they prove to drive clean in a Community Cup and speak respectfully over mic.

Here's some of what I'm looking for, in your replies to this thread:

(not requiring everything to be touched on by each of you - this is just the list)

  • Car Class per Tier, a filled-out form is required by everyone that replies here.
  • Whether to include Sundays (theory only. Ultimately this is up to the drivers)
  • If we do Saturday and Sunday, should we go 4/4/4/3 (or 3/4/4/4), or 3/3/3/3/3 (five weeks)?
  • Is the format for Tourney Finals acceptable at 4 tracks / break / 4 tracks?
  • For Endurance, is Endurance mode still acceptable/fair but with a longer time limit? Extra laps is less creative and may still take longer, hurting production value (just saying), even if longer events is the point of Endurance.
  • Find me some darned co-casters. More importantly, two or three extra broadcasters
  • Moar Drivarz in Seezun Twooo.
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Party Magician 27 Nov, 2014 @ 2:14pm 
JDM, Modified, Supercar, Formula B, Category B.

I don't think there needs to be fifteen separate events in anything but technicality. I feel that it would be entirely possible to make the tier championship consist of five sets of two-three races each, with the ten finalists staying on throughout. Can even be done in the same lobby, with track/class changes in the middle. Four to five weeks is way too long, IMO.

I'm all up and ready for the co-host job.

Endurance mode can be done with the same time limit, really. Enduro mode is about managing tyre wear more than anything else, and that scales with length. Events don't have to be much longer than Race type ones.
DrewUniverse 27 Nov, 2014 @ 3:04pm 
I agree that four or five weeks is a long time, but this is going to be in-between team vs team events as well as the Touge set, which I still need to post about. It could be done by keeping everyone in the same lobby, yes; but may I confirm that you're saying, for example, that the tier 1 drivers go through two or three racers per discipline in a row? Just three "big" events spread over a few lobby sets (since we have a five-race maximum in GAS)? That's a lot less events, and would solve a lot of logistics. While that's less finalist awards (we can fix that next season), it'll make each event that much more iconic and important.
Last edited by DrewUniverse; 27 Nov, 2014 @ 3:05pm
Party Magician 27 Nov, 2014 @ 3:42pm 
Originally posted by DrewUniverse:
Just three "big" events spread over a few lobby sets (since we have a five-race maximum in GAS)? That's a lot less events, and would solve a lot of logistics. While that's less finalist awards (we can fix that next season), it'll make each event that much more iconic and important.

Essentially, yes. The events should be big, notable, and condensed. Three long run events, one per tier, each covering all five disciplines.

I feel like we will lose a lot of momentum if we drag the finals for too long and wait long for season two. Touge and Team events, while a decent filler for midseason, will not compensate for lack of open tournament events
DrewUniverse 27 Nov, 2014 @ 3:49pm 
There will be a lot of intermission due to loading screens and lobby setup. Do you feel that this is acceptable? If so, what do you suggest we do to fill the time? Just an extended version of what we do already? We won't really have time on-the-fly to edit video and show specific replay highlights - only generic ones at best for now.

I do agree with you on season downtime, however we need to figure out how we're going to create qualifiers to initially place everyone in a tier for season 2, as well as a more sophisticated tardy system for mid-season entrants to be placed more appropriately.
Last edited by DrewUniverse; 27 Nov, 2014 @ 4:26pm
Party Magician 27 Nov, 2014 @ 4:21pm 
Originally posted by DrewUniverse:
There will be a lot of intermission due to loading screens and lobby setup. Do you feel that this is acceptable? If so, what do you suggest we do to fill the time? Just an extended version of what we do already?

Well in a long run like this, the pauses will be necessary in any case, to let the participants take a break. So using some of that time to change the lobby settings shouldn't make for any more problems.

Originally posted by DrewUniverse:
I do agree with you on season downtime, however we need to figure out how we're going to create qualifiers to initially place everyone in a tier for season 2, as well as a more sophisticated tardy system for mid-season entrants to be placed more appropriately.

With active discussion by all admins, I believe these questions can easily be settled within the two or three weeks that the short schedule will take.
Last edited by Party Magician; 27 Nov, 2014 @ 4:25pm
DrewUniverse 27 Nov, 2014 @ 5:09pm 
Let's suppose it is three race tracks per discipline. Do we do a parade track with each set? If so, do we elongate my "current event standings" rule for the parade track? If we do, the momentum advantage goes to whoever is most skilled in the first discipline. I think that is a red flag we would need to address, else have random grid order with no parade track in each set. And if we do that, we're not respecting/rewarding people based on their earned rankings.
Last edited by DrewUniverse; 27 Nov, 2014 @ 5:19pm
East 27 Nov, 2014 @ 6:58pm 
It's a really good idea from what I can tell. I want the community to see WHAT they're interested in (maybe make a poll?) playing for in these said events because it can help catergorize those that are interested in a specific event. And it can help us know the players better to setup these events better in the future.
Endurance

Tier 1: GT2
Tier 2: GT1
Tier 3: 787B Cup

Tuner

Tier 1: Classic Muscle
Tier 2: Modified
Tier 3: Super Modified

Street

Tier 1: Coupe
Tier 2: Grand Tourer
Tier 3: Hypercars

Open Wheel

Tier 1: Formula C
Tier 2: Atom V8
Tier 3: Formula A

Touring

Tier 1: Category C
Tier 2: Category B
Tier 3: Super Tourers

Everything I don't mention is self explanatory, I'll briefly mention the ones I care to mention.

Tier 3 Endurance - 787B is the most difficult class in my opinion, we should be testing our skill and only in the best.

Tier 1 Tuner - Classic Muscle makes for close pack racing with lots of room for mistake, which will prove to us who has been developing the most over the season. I expect this category to be a lot of fun.

Tier 2 Tuner - Modified is a notch above Muscle in terms of pacing, and while it's going to be a Mustang fest, it's more of a harder task than Muscle in my opinion.

Tier 3 Street - Hypercars is less stressful than Supercars in my opinion, while still being a test of skill, quick decision making and car control. Fun, underplayed class to me.

Tier 2 Open Wheel - Atom V8s are definitely much more difficult than Formula B in my opinion, and I project will also make for much closer races.

Tier 2 Touring - It was a tough decision for me here, because I could scream Super UTEs for years but it doesn't change the fact that most people don't like UTEs. Category B will be just as close and exciting as UTEs, and a car class that more people will enjoy.

These are the choices I'd put in for the champs, pretty much satisfied with every class listed on here. Maaaaaaybe Tier 2 Street can be Performance but I expect more people to want Grand Tourer.
◥DaBeastKing◤ 27 Nov, 2014 @ 10:05pm 
Originally posted by Eastcoast27:
It's a really good idea from what I can tell. I want the community to see WHAT they're interested in (maybe make a poll?) playing for in these said events because it can help catergorize those that are interested in a specific event. And it can help us know the players better to setup these events better in the future.

If we had unlimited time & people to organize a poll, that would be great. But we don't :/ so we gotta fix this ourselves right now
East 27 Nov, 2014 @ 10:14pm 
It shouldn't be that much of a hassle to just simply make a poll, and plus it's mostly just checking to see the overall results of the outcome.
◥DaBeastKing◤ 27 Nov, 2014 @ 10:16pm 
We barely have enough people helping out & attending events as it is.

I suppose we can try, in an announcement. I guess it is a Championship for the people, so they should have a say in things.

Hmm or we can make this thread visible & comment-able to all. How about that?
◥DaBeastKing◤ 27 Nov, 2014 @ 10:25pm 
Concerning the actual topic at hand, I agree with Amphy on everything EXCEPT Mini should take place of CAT C. It's more beginner-friendly (well they are slower), and much fun.
Last edited by ◥DaBeastKing◤; 27 Nov, 2014 @ 10:28pm
DrewUniverse 27 Nov, 2014 @ 10:41pm 
I will second that, let's get this to the people.
◥DaBeastKing◤ 27 Nov, 2014 @ 10:43pm 
*Moved topic to the GASR Support and Feedback fourm*
Party Magician 28 Nov, 2014 @ 2:47am 
Originally posted by DaBeastKing:
Mini should take place of CAT C. It's more beginner-friendly (well they are slower), and much fun.

Cat C is the most popular GAS Touring class, and likely the most popular GAS class, period. Aside from the people's preference, this would also mean that people, especially those who race less hardcore-ly, would be much more familiar with Cat C than Mini, and as such will have it under easier control.

In addition, C has at least two different-but-equally-good cars that can bring a dynamic that's impossible for a single-car class.

As an aside: you guys know that admins and mods can see deleted posts, right?
Last edited by Party Magician; 28 Nov, 2014 @ 2:48am
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