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Opinions needed: Should we review for being abusive?

4 Jun, 2016 @ 1:19am - timsandtoms
My latest review, Operation Caucasus, seems to have really bothered a few people. This has actually been the first time I've seen the group and curator follower counts go down. I'm not sure if it's just a vocal few who fear that I've gone full SJW, or if people legitimately think that the LGBT part of the review isn't worth mentioning. I'm not unreasonable on stuff, and this group doesn't work as well if people lose trust in its reviews, so I wanted to get everyones input to make sure I handle this one right.

I've got a couple of polls for you guys. First, should we even factor verbal abuse by a developer/publisher into if a game should be reviewed or not? On one hand, treating your customers poorly is definitely not a very pro-consumer way of doing things, and it can scare users off from posting reviews, or trying to seek support. On the other hand, they aren't actually doing anything, or preventing users from doing anything, they're just being rude, so it's not something that necessarily has to affect a person. My personal opinion is that ACPReport should review a game when the devs/publisher are being abusive, for the reasons stated above, but if an overwhelming majority disagree, then I'll need to reconsider.

Poll for if we should review games for devs/publishers being abusive:
http://www.strawpoll.me/10392787

Next up, a poll for Operation Caucasus specifically, for if I should or shouldn't be including the LGBT bit in the review, or if I should have left it as solely the EAG-being-released-as-non-EAG bit.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10392682

If I'm ever running this group in a way that you guys disagree with, definitely let me know(preferably instead of rage-quitting!). I'm always open to feedback, and I've fixed or removed reviews in the past based on the feedback you guys provide. I get that there are plenty of unreasonable people on the internet(As evidenced by some of ACPReport's reviews!), but I try not to be one of them!
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Midnight Meows 8 Jun, 2016 @ 1:50pm 
I've read the links regarding the subject and I think that including the information was the correct choice. It would have made no sense to have left it out considering that the game would have been included regardless of the LGBT issue.

Leaving it out may have been seen by some as "covering it up" and it's just as likely that this group would have rage quit had you not mentioned it. Consequently I don't think that the situation would have worked in your favor regardless.

However, I wouldn't make inclusion of games based specifically on these issues. There are already watch dog groups for stuff like that, although I don't know if they're on Steam.
Psyringe 8 Jun, 2016 @ 2:32am 
Hm, heated discussion here. I'd like to add my view.
If a dev (or any other business entity) discriminates between users, then this dev exhibits anti consumer behavior, and hence it's worth mentioning in an ACPR curation. It does not, and should not, matter whether one supports the dev's opinion or not. Even _if_ one feels that the dev has "done the right thing", one should still be able to see that this "right thing" involved treating users differently based on personal factors independent of previous interaction, and hence is objectively an anti-consumer practice.

It's difficult to elaborate due to the 1000 character limit for comments - I'll post something longer in the forum topic, if I may.
http://gtm.steamproxy.vip/groups/acpreport/discussions/0/350532536096169136/
raythr 6 Jun, 2016 @ 4:02pm 
i think it should be added in case a game gets reviewed because of something else game related
but by itself it seems too minor to warrant a report on its own

regarding caucasus there seems enough things going on to justify a report nonetheless
timsandtoms 5 Jun, 2016 @ 11:35pm 
@9090: Clearly English isn't one of those 10 languages, because I distinctly remember telling you to keep it English and polite in this group, and then your second post after that is rude and Croation. I'm gonna go ahead and ban you for a week, it should let this discussion wrap up without you in it.
9090 5 Jun, 2016 @ 11:19am 
Hear him hahah 3rd world country ...do you even wiki?! ..and you hiding your flag. P.s. My country has had lighting before your country."Barely speaks English" - so how do you understands me then?! ...and for your information I know 10 languages 7 perfectly, 1 very well and 2 sufficiently understand on how much I need because my profession :) ...and you only 1!
9090 5 Jun, 2016 @ 7:08am 
@Amberbaum - it seems that you're bored and you are who feels called out so do not play smart to me. And for your information, I have lived in two states where are censored media and every country in the world censor something when it does not fit, even your country, so do not be naive. You're the one who does not understand "censorship" and what it means but always shout it and point fingers at others.

here's Croatian one (saying) - ne guraj nos di mu nije mjesto!
Amberbaum 5 Jun, 2016 @ 4:29am 
@9090 Of course it has to be you who is crying "freedom of speech" right now and of course you are the one who starts saying "censorship" ( Query: Were you ever forced to live in a state that censors media and won't allow you free speech? No? Then please be silent.). I don't think that people like you even understand what it means and always shout it and point fingers at others if you aren't allowed to say your "opinion" - meaning being an ass for no reason and throwing temper tantrums.

"Freedom is not the capriciousness, to act arbitrarily, but the ability to act reasonably"
"Die Freiheit ist nicht die Willkür, beliebig zu handeln, sondern die Fähigkeit, vernünftig zu handeln."

Rudolf Virchow (1821-1902)
German politican and physician
9090 5 Jun, 2016 @ 4:17am 
clap, clap - we see on television and internet every day that stupid comic book is a lie
timsandtoms 5 Jun, 2016 @ 3:13am 
@9090: https://xkcd.com/1357/
9090 5 Jun, 2016 @ 3:12am 
@「 Soma 」 god for you sherlock now go home and cry
@timsandtoms Censorship in action?!? ...seems to be that! ....where freedom of speech???
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