Ok I watched the video all the way through and here are my thoughts:
You are right about multiple stradegies to counter spawn camping. But lots of people just whine at us constantly about spawn campers. So we try to avoid these sort of distractions by trying to prevent spawn camping altogether. Me personally am only enforcing the rules the owner has set. And yes, they could use some serious tweaking. Secondly, spawn baiting, I don't like it personally, and I think using the spawn doors to escape being killed or camping by them is very shitty. But I don't think using the doors should be considered spawn baiting, I personally would rather just get rid of them but what can I do? Anyway The doors really aren't spawn baiting because any player can use them vs. the spawn areas only the respecting team can use. It's such a small thing and it shouldn't be a rule but other moderators and even the owner made it effective. Thirdly, staff mentality, yeah some of us (even me at times) can get very arrogant about our ranking and power. I try not to but sometimes I get moody, this isn't an excuse I'm just saying the reason. As is it stated, we are to warn once and then kick then ban for most rules broken. But I think this could be changed, it's a little scary to think "shit, if I mess up again I'm going to get kicked!". But, sometimes we have to just be very pushy about things because there are so many people to attend to and keep in line. We have to get a little arrogant or people might not take us seriously. And the thing about "don't argue with mods" this has legitimate claim. We really sometimes dont have time for every little player who wants to make himself innocent whether he deserves it or not. I do think we should make time for this, but not during active on-duty time when we need to be paying attention to shit. This would be a good example. But not some in-game arguement that more likely than not is just a waste of the staff's time. Unfortunately discipline is hard because there's not much the owner can do between removing a feature entirely for everyone or just demoting the staff member. I think you made some good points Metroid, but I also think you should consider what I'm saying here as well. I hope this issue can be resolved and not just blow over and someone being branded as an asshole.

Originally posted by The Metroid Tamer™:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmYpCmnLU-s

I may be a little Salty ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Seriously though in a good summary it's to help people to have fun and help players know that Spawn Camping on a map like that is a joke. Actually think about it for some time.

I expect lenny binds and KYS comments ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

The MAIN argument is that I start to "Argue" with mods on their actions. Yeah well already I am fed up with the attitude you guys are having agaisnt others and myself. (ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง

You can choose to take this seriously or continue I don't care at this point.

I made the rules to the server for a reason. If you don't like them I suggest you go to another server.

I mean think of it, you're a new player, you just join the server, walk out of spawn and are immediately shot, blown up, flamed or stabbed. Thats an insta-leave for most and im trying to get people to play on the server more often.



BTW, you said you had an issue with Mod/Admin attitudes. Care to elaborate? You pointed it out in your title as if it was a main point of yours but you didn't even mention it in your post.

Also, you made your video unable to be viewed on other websites, so why even embed it? Just use a link.




You have a HUGE flaw in your own logic. People can spawn camp the Castlewall teleporters too. So what am I to do? Allow that and say, oh well there are 3 spawn all being camped. Find another way out.

Please lets see how YOU would negate that. Am I supposed to say, you can only spawn camp the exit directly from spawn? Thats kind of arbitrary to say you can camp 1 of 3 spawn exits.


You also mention a team effort to push back spawn campers.. Its a Trade Server, nobody works as a team so that is moot.

No worries my dude. It's your server so you make the rules and I'll just follow them to my best abilities. Just wanted to offer my thoughts and junk.

Originally posted by The Metroid Tamer™:

No worries my dude. It's your server so you make the rules and I'll just follow them to my best abilities. Just wanted to offer my thoughts and junk. :demoticon:

I really would like more feedback though.

It is an ongoing issue that I need to fix as its annoying to watch a bunch of people who can't follow a simple rule.

We have got 3 spawn exits that people use and all can be camped.. Theres not much I can do as of this point.

I use to have spawn protection up to 15 seconds, but if you go through Castlewall RIGHT as soon as you spawn you get pretty much 10 seconds of godmode in the map.

Currently there is nothing I can do other than have the rule of no Spawn Camping.




I used to be a Senior Admin for 8 Trade, Idle and Event Servers ( all were full with 32 players 24/7 ) 2 years ago so I know all the ins and out and what not but this is an issue almost all servers will have issues with and one that is hard to fix.

i understand what he means about the spawnbaiting rule. that is kinda confusing and i dont really understand it sometimes. but no spawncamping is simple.

Honestly I am on the server most of the day and I see a lot of spawncampers when mods/admins are not on, but there are many fallacies in your logic mertroid as pointed out by jersey.

Yes I can say that my argument is flawed and I will admit I was salty when I made this because mods can easily jsut manipulate it to their will which ticks me off still.

I'm sorry if I started this whole thing I'm not trying to manipulate as well I'm trying to keep the server fair

Originally posted by GunSlinger JamaJuice:

I'm sorry if I started this whole thing I'm not trying to manipulate as well I'm trying to keep the server fair

nice reaction time Jama

Originally posted by Derpilishous:

Originally posted by GunSlinger JamaJuice:

I'm sorry if I started this whole thing I'm not trying to manipulate as well I'm trying to keep the server fair

nice reaction time Jama

andate a la cresta

why not

Originally posted by Detective Alien:

why not

because it's just spam

Originally posted by Derpilishous:

Originally posted by Detective Alien:

why not

because it's just spam

I only did it once, chill you're sounding to sound like tom

Originally posted by Detective Alien:

Originally posted by Derpilishous:

because it's just spam

I only did it once, chill you're sounding to sound like tom

I cinsider it spam because it's long as fuck and doesn need to be there

Oh god Tom was the worst I remember when he had a mental breakdown and was banning and kicking people for no reason