OK, Dario beat me to it it looks like
I'll watch the video, never heard of that one... I was left to do my own research years ago when Zeitgeist was making the rounds.

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Educate yourself a little :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KhxV9GBXGY

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What you see as the Devil twisting events to deceive people I see as yet another person rewriting someone else's myth to conform to their beliefs or to their culture's beliefs. Take Christianity for example, the story of a child born to a virgin mother and a miraculous resurrection predates the story of Jesus Christ by hundreds if not thousands of years. Take a look at the stories of the Egyptian god Horus, the Zoroastrian deity Mithra, or the Hindu god Krishna for near identical stories to Christ. A way to understand how I feel about Christianity is in a way how you feel about Islam, they are both versions of an older story twisted by the cultures who created them. I personally don't believe that Jesus Christ ever lived like how he was portrayed in the Bible, but even if he did live at one point then it would be more likely he would be from the older stories that are far older than any story ever written in the Bible. Thanks for the relply though I am always interested in others points of view :caster_happy:

What you say is patentedly untrue, I can only imagine you've watched Zeitgeist which uses Acharya S. as its source, Acharya S. is a fiction author (as well as fictional author ) who takes herself too seriously, and has a burning hatred for Christianity specifically. You should read these mythologies firsthand so that you will not be deceived by the snake oil salesmen, FYI Zeitgeist is an induction video, to let you know "We control everything, there's nothing you can do about it, join us or die." They have to try and dismiss Christ Jesus as an alternative, because the prophecies of the Bible are the only ones on earth which say there will be a tyrannical global government in the last days, and Jesus Christ will destroy it.

But back to the point, more specifically, re: mythologies, pick up an Egyptology book. Horus' mommy put his chopped up daddy back together, had relations with him, and Horus was thus conceived. Just what is your definition of a virgin birth? This isn't up for debate, walk into your local library and get some Egyptology books on the subject, I challenge you. Krishna was conceived by hair implantation (?!?!?!) and on and on it goes. See the difference between God and the mythologies, is that the former is explained just by His Power(God the giver of all life says a virgin will be with child, and by the Power of His SPIRIT it is so, and the latter have to go hanging fairy tale lanterns on everything to try and explain that some magic something or other was responsible, like a golden member or hair etc.

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The God of Christianity is NOT the god of islam.

No way.
Where did you pull that out from?
If in doubt compare their book against God's true Word, the Bible.

Christ is the only Way, and the Bible is filled with all the truth.
That all happened.
Not stories, but historical events.

The history of our planet.
God is real, and you better not be someone who thinks Christianity == islam == Judaism and maybe even all the religions.

Christianity isn't a religion, it IS a RELATIONSHIP with the REAL, LIVING AND ALMIGHTY GOD.

Peace man.
I'll pray for you.
Don't be deceived.

Hello and thanks for your input this thread continues to be extremely interesting. You very clearly stated that there was a huge difference between the Qu'ran and the Bible but I tend to disagree. The Bible and the Qu'ran both share an all-powerful God that single-handedly created the universe. Both believe that Jesus Christ was born to the virgin mother Mary to later perform miracles and help the sick and the elderly. There are over 50 "characters" from the Bible that appear in very similiar portrayals in the Qu'ran. Once I had read both the Bible and the Qu'ran I found that the stories portrayed in both were very similiar and shared many "historical" events with eachother. The main difference I have found between the two is that Muslims don't believe Jesus Christ to be the son of God but just another prophet, whereas Christians believe in the Holy Trinity and that Jesus died on the cross for mankind's sins.

I implore you to study the Qu'ran and its texts to better understand where each viewpoint is coming from. Thanks and I hope to hear back from you soon :squirtyay:

You get an A for being polite and civil, when I was an atheist, I took pleasure in insulting and mocking Christians.

As for the topic at hand, first you have to have read the Bible, then you would see it is an ongoing narrative between God and man, the ultimate plan of redemption for these "end times" was started thousands of years ago when Abram/Abraham was called out of Ur. But I'm not implying that reading the narrative will save you, quite the contrary, Jesus said "No man can come to God unless He draws him to Him first." If a thousand angels had appeared to me and ministered the Gospel to me when I was an atheist, I would've swore it was ergot poisoning or something, hallucinations, I would never have accepted it in that state of deception.

So the narrative does involve the Judaism of Jesus' day, modern Judaism though? A shell of its former self, in many ways it is a "newer" faith than Christianity, defined my the talmud and midrash, insane ramblings of medieval-era Rabbis etc, but Islam really takes the cake. I can respect a lot of religions for a lot of reasons, but I see absolutely no redeeming qualities about Islam, it was founded in a pool of blood by a pedophile warlord, and continues to be violent to this day, it is one of the fleshiest, most carnal, unspiritual, religions I've ever studied, which is really a feat when weighed against LaVeyan Satanism, whose actual ongoing conscious aim was to be as carnal as possible. The Islamist looks forward to flesh rewards in heaven, worships the "Best Deceiver", Allah (They will try to sugar coat this one and say it really means Allah is the "Best Planner", but then, I guess, it means he "planned" everyone when he supposedly superimposed Jesus' face on a common criminal during the Crucifixion... no, yeah, "deceived" is the appropiate word....), they have no spiritual authority, and don't even know how to fast properly, their idea of fasting is to not eat... during daylight hours pretty much

See, I recognize that far-eastern religions are dabbling in the occult even if they don't realize it, seeking to channel powers we shouldn't mess with, but even so, I would have to give Buddhism a peace prize, they seem to legitimately be concerned with peace, they are not supremacists(at least not the domineering variety) To follow the Quran properly, means forced conversion is good and fruitful and just. Whereas Jesus said to share the Gospel and move on, some will hear it some will not, it is a spiritual battle and spiritual things are happening, but to the Islamist, at least in practice, everything is flesh, they have forcefully converted/killed millions, forced little girls of other faiths/cultures into kangaroo court marriages which amount to little more than Satan-sanctioned pedophilia/rape, etc...

Now, there are many "Muslims" in the west, who are liberal, and have very liberal interpretations of the Quran, and very liberal "Imams" who scratch their itching ears. Just as the only True Christian is the Fundamentalist Christian(Taking Jesus at His Word) The only True Muslim is the Fundamentalist Muslim(Taking mohammed and his word), and so the devout muslims are the ones forcing marriage on prepubescent girls, cutting off heads and arms, splashing acid on Christians, blowing themselves up etc, and the devout Christians are the ones turning the other cheek, digging wells for strangers halfway around the world, ehhh, etc, etc, etc (I will not toot the horn of my brothers and sisters who are better than me, their reward is in Heaven)

I think to get a realistic view of what has actually been happening in the world, and what will continue to happen, you need to watch this video that's under five minutes long, from someone who was actually raised in the environment, instead of say, lamestream media news controlled by 6 multinational media conglomerates who do not have our best interests at heart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytdMUddGe-U

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As many of you might know the Crusades (to the East) generally have a negative reputation and the mainstream voices bad opinions on it. In school, atleast in my case, when it was mentioned it had an overall negative connotation of bloodthirst and pillaging as well. It is also, at least, one of the roots of so-called "white-guilt" and a reason why Europeans are not allowed to be proud of their Christian history.

The fact is that many people are misinformed about the Crusades and they don't know the full story. They just think "Crusades=bad". I myself, until recently, didn't know much about it either. But for the past week or so I have been researching it and learned the actual reasons and intentions of that part of history.

For the sake of the initial question shown in the title, I'll refrain from sharing my research info here.

So, what is your view and opinion on the Crusades? Good? Bad? Necessary? A black page in history?

The Crusades were wars between the still-pagan roman empire and islam, it was all flesh, may as well be the same as two secular states warring with each other.
Jesus would've denied old harlot scarlet rome and would have been killed by them in that time, and so would I.

Funny how history often repeats itself.

"My kingdom is not of this world" ~Jesus

When I was an atheist I also held misconceptions about what sort of god would be worth praising. This belief of course makes you, and not God, the Supreme Arbiter of right, wrong, justice, etc, and to a wider extent (since whether or not you will admit to it you are greatly, even dangerously, influenced by corporate media and the pustch to build that false global utopia) it makes the small handful of media corporations which have so shaped your present perception the Supreme Arbiter. You are hoi polloi to them, and it is a label of derision and dehumanization.

I could ask you various philosophical questions that prove you are not a proper judge of right and wrong, but will not pursue that course unless you're interested, since to many people active on apologetic/debate forums things like that have been read a hundred times. Suffice it to say, all moral relativism is only relatively moral, and only relatively loving, only relatively merciful or just. Adolf Hitler is the whipping boy of moral relativism, as long as you can look at him and say you're a better person than him, it's all good, but you are definitely a sinner(as am I), and the heart of man is deceitfully wicked, who can know it?

In closing, the Gospel says you're incapable of saving yourself, so God supernaturally saves you from the trap of this world, when all the major religions from catholicism to islam to buddhism believes you, under your own power, can work your way to God/heaven/nirvana/etc.

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Remember also that Islam is a culture like any, Chinese raised in a traditional Buddhist culture, catholics, etc, and they've been told what to believe by other men, by their parents, when it is merely a battle of cultures it is entirely in the flesh/carnal, and Jesus isn't a culture He is the Way burning through the world to this day. Jesus said no man can come to God unless He draws him to Him first, so the #1 thing to do in this situation is to pray for them, if you want to talk to them, pray hard for them first, pray and fast too if you can, then while you are talking to them, pray unceasingly in your mind and ask the Holy Spirit to help guide your tongue, that you may do everything you can to honor the precepts of Our King, that it is not His Will that any should perish(2pet3:9) but that in all things, Thy Will be done.

Hope this helps

They are saying like "Islam is best,other religions are false".Some text from previous message with same guy:
"Bro
Jesus , Christians And Other Religions
they are Shit
They think That they have Other God they dont believe in Allah
And They dont know that Ther is only Allah And They all are his Sons
Allah is one And Only God There is no God Except Allah
Muslims Are (heart)
Just be Muslim And Pray (smile)"

But its hard to talk about Jesus and real God to them.They are "staying behind own words".

Just remember we wrestle not against flesh and blood, prayer makes a difference, etc.

Remember also that Islam is a culture like any, Chinese raised in a traditional Buddhist culture, catholics, etc, and they've been told what to believe by other men, by their parents, when it is merely a battle of cultures it is entirely in the flesh/carnal, and Jesus isn't a culture He is the Way burning through the world to this day. Jesus said no man can come to God unless He draws him to Him first, so the #1 thing to do in this situation is to pray for them, if you want to talk to them, pray hard for them first, pray and fast too if you can, then while you are talking to them, pray unceasingly in your mind and ask the Holy Spirit to help guide your tongue, that you may do everything you can to honor the precepts of Our King, that it is not His Will that any should perish(2pet3:9) but that in all things, Thy Will be done.

Hope this helps

When it comes to sins of addiction, those "monkeys" on your back... it is important to remember the words of Jesus,

And when He was come into the house, His disciples asked Him privately, Why could not we cast him out? And He said unto them, "This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting."

sometimes words are not enough, fast, pray, eat the Word, praise and worship God for what He has done for you, and your face will shine like Moses on the mountain top. I challenge any of you to try it.

An ongoing playlist, add your favorite praise and worship songs here to share with everybody!

No trolling or debating of any kind on this thread, take it elsewhere. encouraging discussion about praise and worship songs is fine.


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through His Son our salvation was bought, with Mercy and Grace. Come let us bow down, in His hands are the depths of the earth, with one voice we proclaim His great worth-LORD our GOD...

[chorus]and we will seek Him, our Rock of Salvation, morning by morning, with thanksgiving we come, and we will bow down, with creation we cry out, in daylight and darkness, we sing to the LORD, Great is our God, Great is our God, Great is our God.

LORD of all nations, we will stand at the end of our days, in Your courts and declare Your great ways, in Spirit and Truth. We long for Your kingdom, bring Your thunder and gather the earth, all who tremble will tell of Your worth, LORD our GOD.

[chorus]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQSXH5so-As

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The devil will do anything to harm us. Even if it evolves punishment, yes the devil can punish us. If we do something good he punishes us with his evil presents, or punishes us with bad people that bring you down. My friends death is not a punishment, its something that God took away from me, and things happen for a reason.

You are more than a Conquerer through Jesus Christ, the demons are subject to you in His name, just beware not to give demons so much credit that they win a battle over you they don't even have to fight.

The devil isn't allowed to touch a hair on our head without God's permission, how then should we give the devil credit for punishing us? It's God who refines us in the fire, like silver and gold is refined and polished, it is God who seasons us.

peace