Originally posted by KiD #38:

Originally posted by kazerniel:

Though take into account that completionist.me has a ton of cheaters on it, that distort completion statistics with their 0 playtime. If you check out many games' completion playtime graph, they have a lot of dots in the very bottom.

True, but then AStats also bans legitimate players (a friend of mine, an achievement hunter with five hundred 100% games, was banned for using a patch for a broken achievement; made 2 appeals, relocked that and a bunch of other achievements, and was still only given some vague non-responses). That skews statistics too.

I guess thats the very minority ;).

Originally posted by KiD #38:

True, but then AStats also bans legitimate players (a friend of mine, an achievement hunter with five hundred 100% games, was banned for using a patch for a broken achievement; made 2 appeals, relocked that and a bunch of other achievements, and was still only given some vague non-responses). That skews statistics too.

If your friend got banned, then there was some reason. The fact that you do not know this reason does not mean that he is innocent. I've seen a lot of these innocently banned. There is always something.

Originally posted by Wissaul:

The fact that you do not know this reason does not mean that he is innocent.

I've never said that. I do in fact know what he was banned for (initially). And I can see with my own eyes that he fixed that. Afterwards, however, mods kept finding "something" else, without actually telling him what it was. He should have deduced it himself, apparently. No court on Earth prosecutes you without telling you what you're charged with. But it's alright, he's absolutely guilty, since you've seen lots of these cases and there's always something, plus mods = gods who never make any mistakes.

I am pretty sure that these rules existed already before he was banned. And the idea behind these rules isn't to emulate a criminal justice system, but more like expecting of sinners to come clean themselves in confession - meaning it as a comparison, where a priest usually doesn't gather evidence as a prosecutor does.

And while it sure may technically be possible that someone got flagged with a mistake, if the argument turns pretty much only around: "Well, these mods ought to spend some hours to go through all his gaming history even though he should know way better if he perhaps used another fix for broken achievement/s in another game/s, but he can't be bothered to remember or check his own gaming history, or perhaps even worse he just wants to gamble on what he can get away with.", then such doesn't really sound as proof of "evil mods".

Alternatively one could ask a third party to look at that profile, to see whether there seems to be something suspicious. But again, if your friend perhaps can't be bothered to spend even a few minutes to check his gaming history, then why would someone else if they don't get paid at least some Steam-gems for it?

Originally posted by King Link:

I've been a member of truesteamachievements, I like completionist.me but I still seem to use astats the most. Hope it's up again soon. (Gonna check out steamhunters because I love these types of sites)

I wanted to like truesteamachievements but it just feels abandoned.

Wish there was one that was kinda like psnprofiles.

I guess I feel a little happier without Astats. I feel less obsessed with my stats because the site is down. I wouldn't say that the website being down for this long is necessarily a bad thing.

Still working on it, it's taking quite some time and I can't work on this 8 hours a day with my health and children running around, and it was really a nasty mess. But I am doing what I can.

Don't worry about it myth, prioritise your own life and wellbeing over this, it isn't worth your health, or worth stressing yourself, we can all wait, good luck

Take as long as you need Myth, we appreciate the update!

All the haters need to cut myth some slack. He’s doing this on his own time, I’m guessing without getting paid for it. If it was me I’d have told them to get stuffed, it’s not worth the hassle and closed the site down permanently. As has been noted, if you don’t like it go somewhere else. Although I guess it shows what myth has built if people get a bit passionate about it. Trouble with something free s you tend not to appreciate it as much.

Originally posted by Afghanmountaingoat:

All the haters need to cut myth some slack. He’s doing this on his own time, I’m guessing without getting paid for it. If it was me I’d have told them to get stuffed, it’s not worth the hassle and closed the site down permanently. As has been noted, if you don’t like it go somewhere else. Although I guess it shows what myth has built if people get a bit passionate about it. Trouble with something free s you tend not to appreciate it as much.

Not saying I'm a hater. Just that it being down has actually been better for my mental health. Obsession isn't always a good thing and I had an obsession with my stats for years.

If it does end up going away, it wouldn't necessarily end up being a bad thing for everyone. If anything, it could probably rid people of that obsession. Just my two cents.

Originally posted by Shrodu (Back and Burning Bright):

Originally posted by Afghanmountaingoat:

All the haters need to cut myth some slack. He’s doing this on his own time, I’m guessing without getting paid for it. If it was me I’d have told them to get stuffed, it’s not worth the hassle and closed the site down permanently. As has been noted, if you don’t like it go somewhere else. Although I guess it shows what myth has built if people get a bit passionate about it. Trouble with something free s you tend not to appreciate it as much.

Not saying I'm a hater. Just that it being down has actually been better for my mental health. Obsession isn't always a good thing and I had an obsession with my stats for years.

If it does end up going away, it wouldn't necessarily end up being a bad thing for everyone. If anything, it could probably rid people of that obsession. Just my two cents.

It can also work in other ways... such as someone purchasing a lot of stuff, perhaps out of obsession or out of boredom, and one visit to AStats and they are like: "Oh look, all these unplayed or barely played games to focus on instead."

In any case, someone being e.g. an alcoholic, that sure isn't great for them, but they should perhaps look for another way of being helped than to hope that all the pubs in the vicinity close forever, huh?

Originally posted by Shrodu (Back and Burning Bright):

Originally posted by Afghanmountaingoat:

All the haters need to cut myth some slack. He’s doing this on his own time, I’m guessing without getting paid for it. If it was me I’d have told them to get stuffed, it’s not worth the hassle and closed the site down permanently. As has been noted, if you don’t like it go somewhere else. Although I guess it shows what myth has built if people get a bit passionate about it. Trouble with something free s you tend not to appreciate it as much.

Not saying I'm a hater. Just that it being down has actually been better for my mental health. Obsession isn't always a good thing and I had an obsession with my stats for years.

If it does end up going away, it wouldn't necessarily end up being a bad thing for everyone. If anything, it could probably rid people of that obsession. Just my two cents.

There is that.

Originally posted by Afghanmountaingoat:

Originally posted by Shrodu (Back and Burning Bright):

Not saying I'm a hater. Just that it being down has actually been better for my mental health. Obsession isn't always a good thing and I had an obsession with my stats for years.

If it does end up going away, it wouldn't necessarily end up being a bad thing for everyone. If anything, it could probably rid people of that obsession. Just my two cents.

There is that.

Yeah. I have noticed a lot of elitist behavior from stats (not Astats, just stats...though in terms of Astats, I'm an ex-editor there. A story for another time). Some say they have more achievements than the other. Some say they have rarer achievements than the other. Some brag about having a high rank on Astats. Sure, I was within the top 600 for the longest time on Astats, but it's not really all that important. I'm just glad to know I didn't suck too much.

The new version of Astats may be great...or it might not. One day it'll either get abandoned or shut down...could be in a day. Could be in 30 years. It's not important at all. Myth has a family to take care of, that's important. The only way it'd be important to Myth is if it's just a hobby (which I'd most likely bet money on) or if ad revenue helped pay bills (Or some weird video game sponsorship thing as a third option...I don't know).

To respond to DaLe: You have a valid point. However, statistics can lead to obsessions. One reason (among various) I write as many reviews as I do is to clear up my list. I play, I complete, I write, I categorize it. If I feel like I'll never play it again, I hide it...because even my categories get full. That's a tip I'd recommend for those who feel overwhelmed by large lists of games. Play unplayed ones, make your own decisions, but clean up clutter that you most likely won't touch again.

True, there are other ways to cope with obsessions than to "cut a source". All I'm saying here is that time heals all wounds (in one way or another). We're animals of habit, but animals capable of evolving. If we don't evolve and adapt when things go awry, we fall back onto habits and past obsessions. Some could find other stats sites, some could stop fretting over stats and enjoy things as they were intended, and some could play less (or stop gaming entirely). Who knows?

I'm just stating things as I see them. As someone who's obsessed with stats, it does bother me. However, seeing the toxicity I've seen, experienced, and exhibited (I'm no exception to being toxic from this obsession), I'm trying to look at it from the perspective of "maybe this is a good thing". Especially since I'm trying out newer on my backlog instead of focusing on trying to get the rarest and hardest achievements for imaginary "pat-on-the-back" points nobody would care about. Sure, it makes me feel good to get those achievements. But most of the time, I'll only feel that good feeling for 5 seconds before dreading the next daunting goal for lord knows how long (days...weeks...months...years... Anyone getting that feeling from Garry's Mod, Universe Simulator, or the Stanley Parable by just thinking about them?)

Anywho, hopefully this long message gets people to think about things from a new perspective. I'm on the fence on this one and see both perspectives. Bottom line to all this is that I'm trying to look on the bright side of Astats being gone (for now). No harm intended, Myth (if you're reading this).

Originally posted by Shrodu (Back and Burning Bright):

Originally posted by Afghanmountaingoat:

There is that.

Yeah. I have noticed a lot of elitist behavior from stats (not Astats, just stats...though in terms of Astats, I'm an ex-editor there. A story for another time). Some say they have more achievements than the other. Some say they have rarer achievements than the other. Some brag about having a high rank on Astats. Sure, I was within the top 600 for the longest time on Astats, but it's not really all that important. I'm just glad to know I didn't suck too much.

The new version of Astats may be great...or it might not. One day it'll either get abandoned or shut down...could be in a day. Could be in 30 years. It's not important at all. Myth has a family to take care of, that's important. The only way it'd be important to Myth is if it's just a hobby (which I'd most likely bet money on) or if ad revenue helped pay bills (Or some weird video game sponsorship thing as a third option...I don't know).

To respond to DaLe: You have a valid point. However, statistics can lead to obsessions. One reason (among various) I write as many reviews as I do is to clear up my list. I play, I complete, I write, I categorize it. If I feel like I'll never play it again, I hide it...because even my categories get full. That's a tip I'd recommend for those who feel overwhelmed by large lists of games. Play unplayed ones, make your own decisions, but clean up clutter that you most likely won't touch again.

True, there are other ways to cope with obsessions than to "cut a source". All I'm saying here is that time heals all wounds (in one way or another). We're animals of habit, but animals capable of evolving. If we don't evolve and adapt when things go awry, we fall back onto habits and past obsessions. Some could find other stats sites, some could stop fretting over stats and enjoy things as they were intended, and some could play less (or stop gaming entirely). Who knows?

I'm just stating things as I see them. As someone who's obsessed with stats, it does bother me. However, seeing the toxicity I've seen, experienced, and exhibited (I'm no exception to being toxic from this obsession), I'm trying to look at it from the perspective of "maybe this is a good thing". Especially since I'm trying out newer on my backlog instead of focusing on trying to get the rarest and hardest achievements for imaginary "pat-on-the-back" points nobody would care about. Sure, it makes me feel good to get those achievements. But most of the time, I'll only feel that good feeling for 5 seconds before dreading the next daunting goal for lord knows how long (days...weeks...months...years... Anyone getting that feeling from Garry's Mod, Universe Simulator, or the Stanley Parable by just thinking about them?)

Anywho, hopefully this long message gets people to think about things from a new perspective. I'm on the fence on this one and see both perspectives. Bottom line to all this is that I'm trying to look on the bright side of Astats being gone (for now). No harm intended, Myth (if you're reading this).

You've quite hit the nail on the head with this one.

Personally, I've made the experience that most of my completions only matter to one individual, and that's me. The sentiment you describe from obtaining challenging achievements only to realize that it was but the beginning and there are always various other trophies to be achieved each one more complicated than the one before until you practically run yourself into the ground is quite thought-provoking.

The climb-up for these achievements stands in no relation to the heart-warming feeling once it's done. However, that's a circumstance one can't get rid of.

I agree with your juggling of both the perspectives mentioned and I feel that the time of the website being down can be used to rethink one's approach when it comes to putting in the hours achievement-hunting or rather doing something else with one's time.

That being said, I will most likely continue to use AStats once it's back up again (no pressure on my behalf, though), but I'd like to think I won't cycle through the pages as much as before.