Originally posted by Kryztal:

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

No, it's dumpster garbage, I wasn't interested in PVP either. But I quit when I realized it was nothing but a tedious grind game with reptitive gameplay. It doesn't get old in twenty minutes. It gets old in twenty hours. Which is nothing in an MMO.

Okay.
Opinions.

You've got seventeen hours left, have fun.

Originally posted by Littlefoot:

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

Why would I know? I've never really paid any attention to you. You've seemingly just play with bots. Unless you have played with real people in the past.

If you need to know, i've only played 2 comp games with real people during my time with the game. Lost both horribly because i suck (yes, i admit it. I suck at a game i love), so after that i didn't have much incenitive to try again.

You've played that game ten times longer than me and I've played more than you. But if effort being required drains all your incentive away, you will not go anywhere. Not ingame. Not in life.

Originally posted by Kryztal:

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

Also, Elsword is a garbage game. It starts out decently fun, but after about a week you learn it's just the same thing over and over and over with no change at all the later you progress. Also PVP is pay to win garbage and the mage girl with the purple hair is significantly worse unless you pay real money to unlock skill slots. It'll drag you in and kick you out in an instant.

Nah, it's good imo.
I'm not really interested in PVP, so I don't really care much for that, and I am aware of some things being unbalanced and all.

Besides, Elsword is at least better than Grand Chase gameplay-wise and graphically, the combat system in Elsword feels more natural, while in GC it feels kinda robotic?
Both have their ups and downs, I like both though.
Also, Add is my husbando.

No, it's dumpster garbage, I wasn't interested in PVP either. But I quit when I realized it was nothing but a tedious grind game with reptitive gameplay. It doesn't get old in twenty minutes. It gets old in twenty hours. Which is nothing in an MMO.

Yup. Mlem.

Originally posted by Littlefoot:

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

I don't know how you get so much amusement only playing with bots. Or did you expand into regular match making?

Don't you know i quit CS: GO?

Why would I know? I've never really paid any attention to you. You've seemingly just play with bots. Unless you have played with real people in the past.

Originally posted by Littlefoot:

Originally posted by FRCNexio:

XM is a pretty good alternative too. But for some reason, I prefer the MAG-7.

Same, it just feels so satisfying to use, even more so when you manage to kill someone with it.

Originally posted by Littlefoot:

Originally posted by FRCNexio:

XM is a pretty good alternative too. But for some reason, I prefer the MAG-7.

Same, it just feels so satisfying to use, even more so when you manage to kill someone with it.

I don't know how you get so much amusement only playing with bots. Or did you expand into regular match making?

Originally posted by Kryztal:

Originally posted by ///AUTOMATA:

Looky here we have a Grand Chase memer.

Yup.
Also, I started to play Elsword...
Weee, I guess.

Also, Elsword is a garbage game. It starts out decently fun, but after about a week you learn it's just the same thing over and over and over with no change at all the later you progress. Also PVP is pay to win garbage and the mage girl with the purple hair is significantly worse unless you pay real money to unlock skill slots. It'll drag you in and kick you out in an instant.

Originally posted by Dr. Raven:

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

You've done your research, I'll give you that. I was unaware of Blackops running on sixty FPS on new consoles due to how common 30 FPS was with older generations. Thank you for informing me. As for the "wall." There's always been a skill wall, and though I've found it annoying being matched against players notably better than others. I always enjoy the experince afterwards. Because to me it encourages me to get better, to see people do such things, I think about how I want to do that to. It drives me to improve. Sure cheaters and smurfs are annoying, but they get banned and I'm willing to deal with them on a rare occasion if it means I get to play with better hardware. I don't believe 24/7 aim assist is good at all for a competitive game. It dumbs it down way too much. It blows my mind how tedious it is to aim with a controller, and how the aim assist is almost required just to play. and how hard it is to make those slight adjustments for rifles. I know it takes a ton of time to get good at aiming. But I'd rather simply get good at aimming and that alone. I can't stand "learning" to aim with aim assist holding my hand 24/7. I'm willing to make the sacrifices of the occasional smurf and pubstomp to play with the superior mouse and controller. Aim assist kills the term "skillful."

Yep. I'd go so far as to say your above average player has nearly the same aim as a professional player. Less depth for comp, better suited for new or casual players though.

No, in my personal opinon there's a signifcant gap between "above average" and "pro" I simply dislike aim assist because it takes signifcant amount of skill away from the game. Which is why FPS is shit on consoles, because they need it because of their garbage controllers that hinder people. Aim assist isn't good because it's meant to make up for that. Which is uneeded when you have a mouse. If you really think 24/7 aim assist is good for FPS in general. I'd go as far to say your casual player has the same thought process and capablies of a new born. There's almost no skill to be found in a console FPS, only tedium.

Originally posted by Dr. Raven:

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

Last part is a fair point, but 30 FPS is not enjoyable once experincing higher frame rates.But the frame rate difference is not something that wins game or loses games. unless the FPS difference is like someone has 15 FPS other team has 80. But most of the stuff you mentioned has nothing to do with how the game actually plays. However the comment on enjoying aim assist speaks to me. About how you either suffer from some disease that makes it very hard to aim. Or just how incompetent you are and that you don't actually like shooters. Since you don't want to bother with the most important gameplay ascept.

Black ops 3 has 60 fps on next gen consoles, not sure about the old. Even black ops 2 on the consoles had 60 fps on last gen consoles. So 30fps is not a point at all. I'm sure you know this, but your post seems to suggest otherwise.



Thirdly I don't mind aiming on the pc, I've gotten rather good at aiming on tf2 now that I've played 2000 hours. Working up that ladder has to be one least entertaining experiences though. When you can get paired against players who can jump in a room and headshot 4 or so people before anyone has time to turn around I feel there's a wall. One to discourage new players from joining in, without their share of blood and sweat. Also the same wall encourages petty players to smurf and/or pubstomp to try to play with newbs as it means they're gods among the bad audience.


It's one of the worst things I can think about in pc gaming, besides cheaters. It makes starting in a hardcore community extremely fustrating. Aiming well isn't something you pick up in a day, I wasn't counter sniping aimbots or other good players when I first started. People could suffer though hundreds of hours before their aim improves. If I wanted to play an mmo with pvp enable in the starting spawns I'd go find a chair and rope, they're both about the same amount of fun.

You've done your research, I'll give you that. I was unaware of Blackops running on sixty FPS on new consoles due to how common 30 FPS was with older generations. Thank you for informing me. As for the "wall." There's always been a skill wall, and though I've found it annoying being matched against players notably better than others. I always enjoy the experince afterwards. Because to me it encourages me to get better, to see people do such things, I think about how I want to do that to. It drives me to improve. Sure cheaters and smurfs are annoying, but they get banned and I'm willing to deal with them on a rare occasion if it means I get to play with better hardware. I don't believe 24/7 aim assist is good at all for a competitive game. It dumbs it down way too much. It blows my mind how tedious it is to aim with a controller, and how the aim assist is almost required just to play. and how hard it is to make those slight adjustments for rifles. I know it takes a ton of time to get good at aiming. But I'd rather simply get good at aimming and that alone. I can't stand "learning" to aim with aim assist holding my hand 24/7. I'm willing to make the sacrifices of the occasional smurf and pubstomp to play with the superior mouse and controller. Aim assist kills the term "skillful."

Originally posted by Pepsiman!:

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

(Robojesus) 0/10. I'd go lower, but I won't, but I know they will. Or they'll try and go higher to maintain their illusion of kindness. To you people this person is nice and shiny and wonderful. Well in the past in older fourm groups, they've been quite different and often lied and subtly manipluated people to get them on "her" side. Because they also claimed to be female during that time. Nothing big, I know. But anyone they didn't like they pretended to be all nice to seem harmless and good. Well all they really did was spread lies and create drama involving people who oppose them. As well as shit talk them behind their backs. They also only existed in the old fourm community acording to them. To get Amsel in. A malicious character who intended only to troll/flamebait people by posting about topics like government and reglion. Seemingly harmless discussion. But it was really meant to bait people into long arguments where Amsel would deny their facts. In the religous thread he often backed up his arguments with Bilbe qoutes and not solid facts to claim god was real. Scroll down in this thread he made. http://gtm.steamproxy.vip/groups/tehuber1337forumz/discussions/1/541907867779037710/ (not in the Retirement home I know, because that group got deleted and remade, so I can't pull anything from there.) But here you can see with his language he clearly means to bait a specific group of people into an argument in which he'll flamebait and deny their facts. http://i.imgur.com/G9UZzMe.png?1 http://i.imgur.com/eU03TiA.png?1 Screen shots incase that thread suddenly disappears. During the serious vote in the group, Robojesus and Amsel went about spamming a copypasta in people's comments who had no idea who Amsel was in an attempt to rig the vote to get him back in. He didn't even like the group. http://i.imgur.com/zNafHTn.png?1 http://gtm.steamproxy.vip/groups/independentRepublic/discussions/3/485624149162607786/ So it's very clear he only made malcious intent.I know I've been an asshole, and this person has seemly been nothing but nice to you, it's but an illusion. They didn't like me and lied to me for no real reason in chats in the past as well. Nothing significant, but if they're willng to lie about such insignifcant things so casually, it's clearly a habit. This person deserves nothing, and whatever they've revealed about themselves to you is likely a lie. I know you enjoy this person, but you don't enjoy the real them, and they likely don't enjoy you. Possibly talking falsehoods and insults about some of you behind your backs. That's why they're an awful person and should have stayed a undiscussed thing of the past regarding fourm groups.

TL:DR Robojesus is likely lying to you regarding any situation they've discussed, is overly kind because their kindness is false. They've also shown malicous behaviour in the past fourm groups and attempted to fake just as much kindness towards others as they have in this group and almost certaintly doesn't like any of you. Thank you for reading, also please read the few sentences regarding the proof I've provided of such acts if you only read the TL:DR.

Hmm...that escalated quickly.
Anyways: A_COCO: I don't have a clue/10. The only thing i know about him is that he was in the TF2 insert too long acronym here.

I have a lot of unfinished business or things to say about people in this group who are old fourm regs. For the post part. As for you. You're seemingly alright, just young. 6/10.

(Robojesus) 0/10. I'd go lower, but I won't, but I know they will. Or they'll try and go higher to maintain their illusion of kindness. To you people this person is nice and shiny and wonderful. Well in the past in older fourm groups, they've been quite different and often lied and subtly manipluated people to get them on "her" side. Because they also claimed to be female during that time. Nothing big, I know. But anyone they didn't like they pretended to be all nice to seem harmless and good. Well all they really did was spread lies and create drama involving people who oppose them. As well as shit talk them behind their backs. They also only existed in the old fourm community acording to them. To get Amsel in. A malicious character who intended only to troll/flamebait people by posting about topics like government and reglion. Seemingly harmless discussion. But it was really meant to bait people into long arguments where Amsel would deny their facts. In the religous thread he often backed up his arguments with Bilbe qoutes and not solid facts to claim god was real. Scroll down in this thread he made. http://gtm.steamproxy.vip/groups/tehuber1337forumz/discussions/1/541907867779037710/ (not in the Retirement home I know, because that group got deleted and remade, so I can't pull anything from there.) But here you can see with his language he clearly means to bait a specific group of people into an argument in which he'll flamebait and deny their facts. http://i.imgur.com/G9UZzMe.png?1 http://i.imgur.com/eU03TiA.png?1 Screen shots incase that thread suddenly disappears. During the serious vote in the group, Robojesus and Amsel went about spamming a copypasta in people's comments who had no idea who Amsel was in an attempt to rig the vote to get him back in. He didn't even like the group. http://i.imgur.com/zNafHTn.png?1 http://gtm.steamproxy.vip/groups/independentRepublic/discussions/3/485624149162607786/ So it's very clear he only made malcious intent.I know I've been an asshole, and this person has seemly been nothing but nice to you, it's but an illusion. They didn't like me and lied to me for no real reason in chats in the past as well. Nothing significant, but if they're willng to lie about such insignifcant things so casually, it's clearly a habit. This person deserves nothing, and whatever they've revealed about themselves to you is likely a lie. I know you enjoy this person, but you don't enjoy the real them, and they likely don't enjoy you. Possibly talking falsehoods and insults about some of you behind your backs. That's why they're an awful person and should have stayed a undiscussed thing of the past regarding fourm groups.

TL:DR Robojesus is likely lying to you regarding any situation they've discussed, is overly kind because their kindness is false. They've also shown malicous behaviour in the past fourm groups and attempted to fake just as much kindness towards others as they have in this group and almost certaintly doesn't like any of you. Thank you for reading, also please read the few sentences regarding the proof I've provided of such acts if you only read the TL:DR.

Originally posted by Dr. Raven:

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

I didn't know Steam ran ads. If you're looking for a console shooter, you're looking for disappointment, no matter what.

Black ops handles better on the consoles than pc. More community, lower skill floor by aim assist(which I consider a good thing, stops stomping and makes the game more forgiving to new players), less cheating if you're playing a new console, better moderation and more fair environment(everyone's gonna have the same hardware so no one can have higher frames or graphical glitches).

Last part is a fair point, but 30 FPS is not enjoyable once experincing higher frame rates.But the frame rate difference is not something that wins game or loses games. unless the FPS difference is like someone has 15 FPS other team has 80. But most of the stuff you mentioned has nothing to do with how the game actually plays. However the comment on enjoying aim assist speaks to me. About how you either suffer from some disease that makes it very hard to aim. Or just how incompetent you are and that you don't actually like shooters. Since you don't want to bother with the most important gameplay ascept.