they're both canceorus weapons for a cancerous class

No, they aren't. Strong doesn't mean overpowered.

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

No, they aren't. Strong doesn't mean overpowered.

Diamondback is definitely straight upgrade and op, amby... Maybe you can remove the headshot speed penalty and make it minicrit on headshot

No second thought it will become a noob weapon

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

No, they aren't. Strong doesn't mean overpowered.

Diamondback is definitely straight upgrade and op, amby... Maybe you can remove the headshot speed penalty and make it minicrit on headshot

No second thought it will become a noob weapon

Not really. If you're caught out before you get any kills, you're at a disadvantage because you deal less damage. stock Revolver is solid all around, Diamond Back is good and bad depending on both very common situations that the player doesn't always have control over. It's not over powered, its downside's impact is just entirely dependent on the skill of your enemy.

Originally posted by Radiant Malevolence:

No, because they because both require work to get the extra damage and do less damage if you don't fulfill the requirements. Makes an already risk/reward class even more risky. Never had a problem with either of them.

No backstab is way easier than aiming

Diamondback? Get 3 backstab and you have a ticket out of any trouble, take down a heavy in 2 seconds

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

Diamondback is definitely straight upgrade and op, amby... Maybe you can remove the headshot speed penalty and make it minicrit on headshot

No second thought it will become a noob weapon

Not really. If you're caught out before you get any kills, you're at a disadvantage because you deal less damage. stock Revolver is solid all around, Diamond Back is good and bad depending on both very common situations that the player doesn't always have control over. It's not over powered, its downside's impact is just entirely dependent on the skill of your enemy.

You will never forget how good and bad it feels to shoot down a heavy with 3 quick shots

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

Originally posted by Radiant Malevolence:

No, because they because both require work to get the extra damage and do less damage if you don't fulfill the requirements. Makes an already risk/reward class even more risky. Never had a problem with either of them.

No backstab is way easier than aiming

Diamondback? Get 3 backstab and you have a ticket out of any trouble, take down a heavy in 2 seconds

Yeah, except you can't go get a backstab whenever you want, however you can aim at someone's head whenever you want. The Minigun will shred you unless you're far away from him.

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

No backstab is way easier than aiming

Diamondback? Get 3 backstab and you have a ticket out of any trouble, take down a heavy in 2 seconds

Yeah, except you can't go get a backstab whenever you want, however you can aim at someone's head whenever you want. The Minigun will shred you unless you're far away from him.

It's op in pubs, you get easy knife kills off unaware players and easy gunkills off pros, amby is used when you can't get stabs, well actually it's fine but diamondback is op

Originally posted by Radiant Malevolence:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

No backstab is way easier than aiming

Diamondback? Get 3 backstab and you have a ticket out of any trouble, take down a heavy in 2 seconds

That's the best case scenario, of course it'll sound OP. You don't know how TF2 weapons are balanced at all, clearly. They're all trade offs from the stock weapons that're more situational.

So normally 7 less damage point blank and 2 less far away

And get a 103 every stab you get and building you sap

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

Yeah, except you can't go get a backstab whenever you want, however you can aim at someone's head whenever you want. The Minigun will shred you unless you're far away from him.

It's op in pubs, you get easy knife kills off unaware players and easy gunkills off pros, amby is used when you can't get stabs, well actually it's fine but diamondback is op

So you're telling me if the enemy team is super incompotent and can't kill me, the Diamondback is really good because it helps me carry harder?

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

It's op in pubs, you get easy knife kills off unaware players and easy gunkills off pros, amby is used when you can't get stabs, well actually it's fine but diamondback is op

So you're telling me if the enemy team is super incompotent and can't kill me, the Diamondback is really good because it helps me carry harder?

It's a ticket out of trouble, along with dr, if you get a lot of kills off crap teams you get awarded, like, 1 extra life or 1 free kill whatever you call it

Originally posted by Radiant Malevolence:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

It's op in pubs, you get easy knife kills off unaware players and easy gunkills off pros, amby is used when you can't get stabs, well actually it's fine but diamondback is op

So, what you're saying is, Spy can roll over brainless players and the Diamondback makes it slightly more effective? Wow, never knew that. Did you know that almost every class in the game can do that? Wow.

Donno what you are talking about

What I mean is you can easily dominate noobs as knife spy, easier than every other class, and diamondback can, well, kill people with gamesense easily

Originally posted by Radiant Malevolence:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

It's a ticket out of trouble, along with dr, if you get a lot of kills off crap teams you get awarded, like, 1 extra life or 1 free kill whatever you call it

There's also a bunch of other shit in the game that gives you an easy kill or an easy escape. Often without any buildup required for it, unlike the Diamondback.

Well
Give us an example for a class weak on face to face battle but get a crit whenever he do his job

Diamondback is the spy's eyelander, ubersaw, or his airstrike as you might call it. These weapons have slight/huge downsides. Weapons that were designed to be pointless against players around your skill level, that feed off bad ones and reward you for doing so, punishing the entire enemy team for one of their players being bad. They're pubstomping weapons for the most part.

They all really have no place in the game, except maybe the ubersaw. They aren't op, just badly designed for random skill levels playing together, which makes them bad in my opinion.

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

So you're telling me if the enemy team is super incompotent and can't kill me, the Diamondback is really good because it helps me carry harder?

It's a ticket out of trouble, along with dr, if you get a lot of kills off crap teams you get awarded, like, 1 extra life or 1 free kill whatever you call it

Except most classes do just as much damage as you with your crit. It's not a ticket out of trouble unless you're fighting against a wounded player. It's a fighting chance, because spy really doesn't have one most of the time. Also again, you mention crap teams. "It helps me carry harder if I'm already carrying."