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Lyz920 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:35pm
Con's proper petition to Open FRC's Borders.
I hate it when Pigeon doesn't actively update a thread.
I'm going to make my own so I can archive ASAP.
This is to prevent any miscounting in here.

Yes
  1. Tacomancer
  2. Pathetic
  3. Shadowcon66
  4. Blingie
  5. increasing
  6. Bangiras
  7. ツミ
  8. Geech
  9. gərnadər
  10. Ianj Malicious Group Smasher
  11. Not a 4channer
  12. Mr. Gency
  13. I got diabetes from moe
  14. Bookwormdalek
  15. kern
  16. owen
  17. Neko Cup Fanboys over Pilot
  18. Festive Duckscout
  19. The Extreme Potato
  20. Pigeonbee
  21. dino_inc
  22. Festive Erick
  23. gabrum01
  24. merry puur
  25. Fork_Q2
  26. z o m b i e p o d s
  27. мιʟκмαn
  28. Br0k3n
  29. ❄~Kryzmass Eve~❄
  30. Veleno


No
  1. Prusak posseses cocaine
  2. Santa from Jingles Farm
  3. Krinkov
  4. robomagon
  5. ApertureFestive
  6. Festive Anyar [FRC]
  7. ｓｙｎｃｈｒｏｎｉｚｅｄ ｆｒａｇｇｉｎｇ
  8. StingerRPG
  9. Elisonn
  10. Carl Marks, Duke of Soviet China
  11. ☭ΩShadowHunter_BatΩ☭
  12. Lilth wants some presents
  13. ///AUTOMATA
  14. Ludek

Arguments in favor of opening the borders of FRC
Originally posted by dino_inc:
Actually, I'd like to change my vote to yes. FRC is slowly dying, and :
Case 1:
It goes well, the group becomes more active, and it doesn't get spammed. (And Luyan gets in, settling that issue)

Everybody wins.

Case 2: Spammers get in, the discussion quality goes down for a few days, and the group is made invite only again.

Nothing changes.

Case 3: We get raided, the mods are forced to moderate, and the group becomes invite only again. There is now definite proof that opening it is bad, with little lasting consequences, settling the issue.

Nothing changes, except perhaps a bit stronger group identity due to half the members satisfied that we tried out their idea.

Case 4 (If the petition is denied): The people who wish it to be open still protest and the group becomes even more divided. FRC continues its downward spiral and dies in a few months.

Everybody loses, FF no longer has a scapegoat to make fun of at every moment and those who are FRC regs no longer have an active group, fracturing the community.


Overall, this can't be a negative change, as either nothing changes or FRC becomes more active. Sure, quality might go down, but some activity > no activity.

Originally posted by negan:
The current system won't guarantee long-term longevity in terms of activity and whatnot.
Consider how the group has been culling itself from inside and out due to in-fighting.
Opening the group's borders will provide activity, diversity, and heal the old wounds.
However, I feel like that your argument in favor of keeping itself closed off is wrong.
I mean like, obviously there's no standards set for whoever is going to be invited.
It's way harder for the mods to take action when people gets someone voted in.
This is because they'll have to put up with every other person who voted 'em in.
Meanwhile, groups like Forum Filth has always been open from the very start.
All that we ever needed to go do was to enforce the rules, like everyone else.
Forum Filth has never had any problems with alt-accounts, or any evasions.
All that the group has ever done was keep on growing, while this one dies.
It is dying because of the fixed user-count, because the group isn't open.
Last edited by Lyz920; 13 Dec, 2016 @ 7:01pm
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NimrodAbsolution⁧⁧98 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:36pm 
Yes
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Littlefoot 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:36pm 
Like i said in Pidgeon's thread, no. It'll only result in FF users coming in and spamming the living shit out of us.
#2
monk 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:36pm 
Signed for the third time
#3
Lyz920 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:36pm 
Originally posted by Festive Littlefoot:
Like i said in Pidgeon's thread, no. It'll only result in FF users coming in and spamming the living shit out of us.
Ban the ones breaking rules.
FF will ban people who raid from their group.
This won't ever happen.
#4
Vroomi 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:37pm 
No.
#5
Littlefoot 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:37pm 
Originally posted by Shadowcon66:
Originally posted by Festive Littlefoot:
Like i said in Pidgeon's thread, no. It'll only result in FF users coming in and spamming the living shit out of us.
Ban the ones breaking rules.
FF will ban people who raid from their group.
This won't ever happen.
Fair enough, but one part of me still fears for possible consequences.
#6
Lyz920 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:38pm 
Originally posted by Festive Littlefoot:
Originally posted by Shadowcon66:
Ban the ones breaking rules.
FF will ban people who raid from their group.
This won't ever happen.
Fair enough, but one part of me still fears for possible consequences.
I'm a mod in FF, so I'll make sure I'll do my job.
So, is it a yes or no?
#7
NimrodAbsolution⁧⁧98 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:38pm 
Originally posted by Festive Littlefoot:
Like i said in Pidgeon's thread, no. It'll only result in FF users coming in and spamming the living shit out of us.
How do you not understand the existence of the ban button
Even if they bring alts that's 5$ a pop
#8
Littlefoot 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:39pm 
Originally posted by Shadowcon66:
Originally posted by Festive Littlefoot:
Fair enough, but one part of me still fears for possible consequences.
I'm a mod in FF, so I'll make sure I'll do my job.
So, is it a yes or no?
Still no, because i don't liek the idea of making a group liek this open for everyone on steam.

Originally posted by Tacomancer:
Originally posted by Festive Littlefoot:
Like i said in Pidgeon's thread, no. It'll only result in FF users coming in and spamming the living shit out of us.
How do you not understand the existence of the ban button
Even if they bring alts that's 5$ a pop
Except they'd just keep on making alts, so what's the point?
#9
Blingie 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:41pm 
https://youtu.be/P3ALwKeSEYs
#10
dino_inc 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:41pm 
No.
#11
NimrodAbsolution⁧⁧98 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:41pm 
Originally posted by Festive Littlefoot:
Originally posted by Tacomancer:
How do you not understand the existence of the ban button
Even if they bring alts that's 5$ a pop
Except they'd just keep on making alts, so what's the point?
People don't have infinite money
It takes 5$ to make an alt and 5 clicks to ban it
Even if there's a hudred alts (500$) then just promote more mods and ban em even faster
#12
Lyz920 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:41pm 
Originally posted by Festive Littlefoot:
Originally posted by Shadowcon66:
I'm a mod in FF, so I'll make sure I'll do my job.
So, is it a yes or no?
Still no, because i don't liek the idea of making a group liek this open for everyone on steam.
It's a Forum Regular group.
Not a private social clique.

Originally posted by Festive Littlefoot:
Originally posted by Tacomancer:
How do you not understand the existence of the ban button
Even if they bring alts that's 5$ a pop
Except they'd just keep on making alts, so what's the point?
If people bypass bans to make alt-accounts, then they'll get community banned.
The Steam Mods are also at the community's disposal, too.
#13
Littlefoot 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:42pm 
Originally posted by Shadowcon66:
Originally posted by Festive Littlefoot:
Still no, because i don't liek the idea of making a group liek this open for everyone on steam.
It's a Forum Regular group.
Not a private social clique.

Originally posted by Festive Littlefoot:

Except they'd just keep on making alts, so what's the point?
If people bypass bans to make alt-accounts, then they'll get community banned.
The Steam Mods are also at the community's disposal, too.
Except the steam mods are notoriously bad and often doesn't ban even obvious rule breakers.

The only way they'd get notice of them is mass reports.
#14
Lyz920 11 Dec, 2016 @ 3:43pm 
Originally posted by Festive Littlefoot:
Originally posted by Shadowcon66:
It's a Forum Regular group.
Not a private social clique.


If people bypass bans to make alt-accounts, then they'll get community banned.
The Steam Mods are also at the community's disposal, too.
Except the steam mods are notoriously bad and often doesn't ban even obvious rule breakers.

The only way they'd get notice of them is mass reports.
Okay, now this is the part where you're completely wrong.
Remember Migueleby?
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