Originally posted by WOLF:

disability discrimination with the uk safty act

as someone that has autism and that cant work i cant get a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ credit card, im a 22 year old man, i ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hate this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ system and who ever came up with it should be fired, it doesn't even stop you from buying the games, you can still wish-list it then buy it, and most kids ask there parents to buy there games so they will have credit cards already on, in other words actual kids have more access to 18+ games than me a 22 yea old man, like i said disability discrimination, i know there is lots of people in my shoes but they arnt complaining to steam and just going on Reddit and ♥♥♥♥ so im here to ask you guys wtf am i supposed to do, ive tried to contact support but i cant even find a way to talk to a real human. i hate the uk and i hate whoever made this pathetic system that lets kids have access to 18+ games and not millions of people with disability's that strait up cant do what its asking, if it allowed debit cards i wouldn't be complaining also kids can get credit cards in certain situations so blocking debit cards is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ retarded maybe if steam had brains they would give more than one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ option like ive seen ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ porn sites with more ways to prove you 18, this ♥♥♥♥ is pathetic i hope someone realises how scummy this ♥♥♥♥ is.

It doesn't apply to the UK Online Safety Act.

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Originally posted by WOLF:

disability discrimination with the uk safty act

It doesn't apply to the UK Online Safety Act.

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yeah i wish they just went with face recognition id take some random company stealing my info over being treated like a child lol

What games are you restricted from buying on this particular platform?

May I ask why this subset is of such import?

Originally posted by WOLF:

as someone that has autism and that cant work i cant get a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ credit card, im a 22 year old man, i ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hate this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ system and who ever came up with it should be fired, it doesn't even stop you from buying the games, you can still wish-list it then buy it, and most kids ask there parents to buy there games so they will have credit cards already on, in other words actual kids have more access to 18+ games than me a 22 yea old man, like i said disability discrimination, i know there is lots of people in my shoes but they arnt complaining to steam and just going on Reddit and ♥♥♥♥ so im here to ask you guys wtf am i supposed to do, ive tried to contact support but i cant even find a way to talk to a real human. i hate the uk and i hate whoever made this pathetic system that lets kids have access to 18+ games and not millions of people with disability's that strait up cant do what its asking, if it allowed debit cards i wouldn't be complaining also kids can get credit cards in certain situations so blocking debit cards is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ retarded maybe if steam had brains they would give more than one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ option like ive seen ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ porn sites with more ways to prove you 18, this ♥♥♥♥ is pathetic i hope someone realises how scummy this ♥♥♥♥ is.

You know, Valve doesn't need to provide any options. Just ask the Germans.

Furthermore the only reason why Valve is using credits cards is because they already handle credit cards. And to comply with the law all the need to do is confirm a valid CC is attached to the account. Extremely simple from an implementation standpoint.

So you assume Valve is a laundry list of negative things. The reality is they're not keen on age verification and implementing unique systems for every country. They have that right. If you don't like it, go shop at another store that jumps through the hoops the way you approve of. You have options, like it or not. And if you don't, then your anger at Valve is misplaced.

Originally posted by -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

What games are you restricted from buying on this particular platform?

May I ask why this subset is of such import?

its not important at this moment and there isnt any games in particular i want to buy right now, ive owned my account for a long time so i actually have all the games i want pretty much but i have looked and it does stop me from even opening the store page on any 18+ game, and my point is that im not the only person in this situation ive seen people on reddit as old as 40 say there in the same boat, its stupid and wrong for steam to only provide one way of proving your age when they know that this isnt a fool proof system as of right now kids will have access to 18+ games with there moms credit cards and people with disability's that literally cant and have no reason to own a credit card are treated like a child and even if there ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 40 years old lol. if i wanted to buy a game in the future and it blocks me it doesnt even really matter because you can just add it to your wish list and buy it anyways without a credit card. the whole system is stupid and terribly made, i feel its right to complain even if its not directly affecting me right now it might in the future and it is definatly affecting lots of other people in my situation. im not angry there trying to follow the uks stupid laws, im angry they have done it so bad that the system lets kids have more access to 18+ content than actual adults just beacuse they have a disability, its wrong and short sighted

Also not having a credit card, regardless of the reasons, is not likely a protected class under most discrimination laws. But good luck on that framing. Keep in mind though succeeding on that point likely isn't going to force Valve to add more age verification options. They may provide no options, which would be a valid choice.

I don't think you're gonna get anywhere crying discrimination, so I'm not trying to discourage you because of a silly belief that you'll ruin it for everyone else. I'm just saying it's a waste of time, and you're not likely to get exactly what you want relating to the new laws and it's not really Valve's responsibility to shield you from your laws. Valve is not responsible for your laws.

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by WOLF:

as someone that has autism and that cant
You know, Valve doesn't need to provide any options. Just ask the Germans.

Furthermore the only reason why Valve is using credits cards is because they already handle credit cards. And to comply with the law all the need to do is confirm a valid CC is attached to the account. Extremely simple from an implementation standpoint.

So you assume Valve is a laundry list of negative things. The reality is they're not keen on age verification and implementing unique systems for every country. They have that right. If you don't like it, go shop at another store that jumps through the hoops the way you approve of. You have options, like it or not. And if you don't, then your anger at Valve is misplaced.

lad i havnt given a laundry list of things, this is one thing they have done terribly and it does not follow the law at all, i know valve doesnt like it, no one likes it, my point is that kids have access to things that adults with disabiltys dont all because they can convince there parents to use there credit card but what about someone like me who cant get a credit card and doesnt have anyone to help them but is actually of age. and you can still buy the games bro like i said you can just wishlist it and buy it from there, so no why would i stop using steam, its a very good place, this is the uks fault and valve has ansewed with a lazy half arced solution that helps no one.

Originally posted by WOLF:

lad i havnt given a laundry list of things, this is one thing they have done terribly and it does not follow the law at all,

From where does your expertise spring? And you're claiming to know better than all the lawyers involved? A bold move.

Originally posted by WOLF:

i know valve doesnt like it, no one likes it, my point is that kids have access to things that adults with disabiltys dont all because they can convince there parents to use there credit card but what about someone like me who cant get a credit card and doesnt have anyone to help them but is actually of age. and you can still buy the games bro like i said you can just wishlist it and buy it from there, so no why would i stop using steam, its a very good place, this is the uks fault and valve has ansewed with a lazy half arced solution that helps no one.

Valve is not responsible for addressing every exception and annoyance you have. They're only obligated to follow the law. The law causes you problem because it's unfair and stupid? Well that sucks, and we're all sorry. And it might be nice if Valve did everything they could to conceal the costs and inconvenience from you. But inventing that responsibility for Valve doesn't actually make it theirs.

Originally posted by nullable:

Also not having a credit card, regardless of the reasons, is not likely a protected class under most discrimination laws. But good luck on that framing. Keep in mind though succeeding on that point likely isn't going to force Valve to add more age verification options. They may provide no options, which would be a valid choice.

I don't think you're gonna get anywhere crying discrimination, so I'm not trying to discourage you because of a silly belief that you'll ruin it for everyone else. I'm just saying it's a waste of time, and you're not likely to get exactly what you want relating to the new laws and it's not really Valve's responsibility to shield you from your laws.

its not crying lad, i know nothing will happen but the things ive said are real and lots of people are having the same issues as me, but if you dont agree bro its all good

Originally posted by WOLF:

Originally posted by nullable:

Also not having a credit card, regardless of the reasons, is not likely a protected class under most discrimination laws. But good luck on that framing. Keep in mind though succeeding on that point likely isn't going to force Valve to add more age verification options. They may provide no options, which would be a valid choice.

I don't think you're gonna get anywhere crying discrimination, so I'm not trying to discourage you because of a silly belief that you'll ruin it for everyone else. I'm just saying it's a waste of time, and you're not likely to get exactly what you want relating to the new laws and it's not really Valve's responsibility to shield you from your laws.

its not crying lad, i know nothing will happen but the things ive said are real and lots of people are having the same issues as me, but if you dont agree bro its all good

You know words have more than one meaning depending on context. Maybe you'd prefer a synonym so the context is clearer to you, "Loudly claiming discrimination". So you're not doing that? Which part aren't you doing it? Are timidly claiming discrimination? Apathetically claiming discrimination? You are claiming discrimination at least right? But in a perfectly neutral robotic tone as has been exampled by all your other neutral and emotionless arguments.

Well, I understand some of the details your blinded-by-anger-arguments don't seem to be aware of. So yeah, it's all good bro. I don't feel bad for understanding the situation.

Lots of people being affected by a law designed to affect everyone in the UK isn't some shocker. Laying the responsibility at Valve's feet might not be reasonable though.

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by WOLF:

lad i havnt given a laundry list of things, this is one thing they have done terribly and it does not follow the law at all,

From where does your expertise spring? And you're claiming to know better than all the lawyers involved? A bold move.

Originally posted by WOLF:

i know valve doesnt like it, no one likes it, my point is that kids have access to things that adults with disabiltys dont all because they can convince there parents to use there credit card but what about someone like me who cant get a credit card and doesnt have anyone to help them but is actually of age. and you can still buy the games bro like i said you can just wishlist it and buy it from there, so no why would i stop using steam, its a very good place, this is the uks fault and valve has ansewed with a lazy half arced solution that helps no one.

Valve is not responsible for addressing every exception and annoyance you have. They're only obligated to follow the law. The law causes you problem because it's unfair and stupid? Well that sucks, and we're all sorry. And it might be nice if Valve did everything they could to conceal the costs and inconvenience from you. But inventing that responsibility for Valve doesn't actually make it theirs.

its not an annoyance i already said there isnt even any games i want to buy right now, my point is im not the only person in this position, and just bacause valve doesnt have to do anything isnt a reason to do nothing

Originally posted by WOLF:

Originally posted by nullable:

From where does your expertise spring? And you're claiming to know better than all the lawyers involved? A bold move.



Valve is not responsible for addressing every exception and annoyance you have. They're only obligated to follow the law. The law causes you problem because it's unfair and stupid? Well that sucks, and we're all sorry. And it might be nice if Valve did everything they could to conceal the costs and inconvenience from you. But inventing that responsibility for Valve doesn't actually make it theirs.

its not an annoyance i already said there isnt even any games i want to buy right now, my point is im not the only person in this position, and just bacause valve doesnt have to do anything isnt a reason to do nothing

Other people also having issues stemming from a burdensome law isn't Valve's problem to solve. Also you're absolutely wrong. Valve is a privately owned business and they can operate how they like, and doing nothing is a valid choice, even if it's not the one you would make. Valve can also live with the consequences of doing nothing, if there are any.

Your only realistic option as of right now is use a different store that meets your requirements for age verification. Valve doesn't have to, and they're not the only game in town.

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by WOLF:

its not an annoyance i already said there isnt even any games i want to buy right now, my point is im not the only person in this position, and just bacause valve doesnt have to do anything isnt a reason to do nothing

Other people also having issues stemming from a burdensome law isn't Valve's problem to solve. Also you're absolutely wrong. Valve is a privately owned business and they can operate how they like, and doing nothing is a valid choice, even if it's not the one you would make. Valve can also live with the consequences.

Your only realistic option as of right now is use a different store that meets your requirements for age verification. Valve doesn't have to, and they're not the only game in town.

i see where you coming from man and if you say there is nothing to be done then fair enough i can still buy games with the wish-listing glitch so i guess it doesn't really matter at the end of the day

Originally posted by WOLF:

Originally posted by nullable:

Other people also having issues stemming from a burdensome law isn't Valve's problem to solve. Also you're absolutely wrong. Valve is a privately owned business and they can operate how they like, and doing nothing is a valid choice, even if it's not the one you would make. Valve can also live with the consequences.

Your only realistic option as of right now is use a different store that meets your requirements for age verification. Valve doesn't have to, and they're not the only game in town.

i see where you coming from man and if you say there is nothing to be done then fair enough i can still buy games with the wish-listing glitch so i guess it doesn't really matter at the end of the day

You should be prepared for that loophole to be patched. It's not a secret and it's bound to raise issues on whether Steam is compliant with the law.

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by WOLF:

i see where you coming from man and if you say there is nothing to be done then fair enough i can still buy games with the wish-listing glitch so i guess it doesn't really matter at the end of the day

You should be prepared for that loophole to be patched. It's not a secret and it's bound to raise issues on whether Steam is compliant with the law.

its sound bro i realised its mostly for the coomer games lol, most the games i actually would buy are still ok. at the end of the day i can always just buy a key from a random site for a game if not. i reckon i got more mad than i needed to when i realised i couldn't do the verification but it is what it is