I feel like this is a loaded question, but I'll try to answer it thoughtfully:

A person is not hateful for following the edicts of their religion within their own home; if you believe in God, and you believe God is perfect, that is not hateful.

A person is not hateful for wanting their community to fall *generally* (and I emphasize generally for a reason) within their own value systems. As an example, I'm an agnostic who is trending atheist; I don't care what my neighbors worship, but I do care that they slow the hell down in the neighborhood, as there are kids and pets playing in yards here. I do care that they shut the hell up after certain hours (in terms of loud parties), because people need to sleep. I do care that they don't drive drunk, because I want all my neighbors to live.

A person only becomes "hateful"--at least in my eyes--when they try to force their personal values and theologic convictions onto others. Believe whatever you want, but don't try to force my kid to pray in a public school (this is literally what private schools are for), or exclude them from events because of their sexual orientation.

Pray however you want--but don't use the subject of that prayer as an excuse to try to demonize other people or deprive them of the same rights you enjoy.

Basically, so long as your beliefs don't lead to you trying to harm or control others, I don't find them hateful. There is a broad gulf between thought and words/actions--and that gulf is filled with that thing called responsibility.

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

I feel like this is a loaded question, but I'll try to answer it thoughtfully:

A person is not hateful for following the edicts of their religion within their own home; if you believe in God, and you believe God is perfect, that is not hateful.

A person is not hateful for wanting their community to fall *generally* (and I emphasize generally for a reason) within their own value systems. As an example, I'm an agnostic who is trending atheist; I don't care what my neighbors worship, but I do care that they slow the hell down in the neighborhood, as there are kids and pets playing in yards here. I do care that they shut the hell up after certain hours (in terms of loud parties), because people need to sleep. I do care that they don't drive drunk, because I want all my neighbors to live.

A person only becomes "hateful"--at least in my eyes--when they try to force their personal values and theologic convictions onto others. Believe whatever you want, but don't try to force my kid to pray in a public school (this is literally what private schools are for), or exclude them from events because of their sexual orientation.

Pray however you want--but don't use the subject of that prayer as an excuse to try to demonize other people or deprive them of the same rights you enjoy.

Basically, so long as your beliefs don't lead to you trying to harm or control others, I don't find them hateful. There is a broad gulf between thought and words/actions--and that gulf is filled with that thing called responsibility.

Wow. I wish I could do posts like these really. :)

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Basically, so long as your beliefs don't lead to you trying to harm or control others, I don't find them hateful. There is a broad gulf between thought and words/actions--and that gulf is filled with that thing called responsibility.

So transgenders are hateful because they're trying to trick/force me into believing they're real women?

Dunno haven’t been reading much fiction recently

I have difficulties taking a supernatural super-being as a straight fact.

Hey guys there's this perfect entity behind reality, act accordingly!

I'm Christian but find many Christian's have flawed perspectives. God is perfect because he is far beyond our comprehension. It's like you being critiqued by an ant. They can't even walk in a straight line so who are they to judge me? Church and State should be separate because you can't force people to adopt your religious beliefs. Lastly, people keep putting their own views as God's. IE: God given right to bear arms that people like to defend the second amendment. Well, God never said anything remotely connected to that and he sure as blazes never be would approve of anyone making a fortune on his behalf unless it was to help the poor.

Originally posted by 1000 Subtick stare:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Basically, so long as your beliefs don't lead to you trying to harm or control others, I don't find them hateful. There is a broad gulf between thought and words/actions--and that gulf is filled with that thing called responsibility.

So transgenders are hateful because they're trying to trick/force me into believing they're real women?

Not in the slightest, and I believe you know this.

Here's a cool thing: I respect other people's identities, but I cannot be forced into changing my *internal* beliefs on the subject. Nor can you.

I will address a person who introduces themselves to me as a man/woman accordingly. I respect and will defend my students' right to form their own identity.

But--my own marriage notwithstanding for the purposes of this specific exercise--I would never date a trans-woman. I respect her right to live as she chooses, but in my mind--and therefore the compass of my libido--that person will always be a dude, and therefore not a viable sexual partner for me, a cishet dude.

That's the gulf of responsibility I was talking about. I will not be told what to think, but according other human beings basic respect and decency costs me absolutely nothing unless my internal convictions are so fragile that they will shatter upon first exposure to a competing idea.

My way isn't for everyone, but it works for me--and I don't try to make it anyone else's.

Pretty simple, imo.

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

I feel like this is a loaded question, but I'll try to answer it thoughtfully:

Thank you for your answer.
It's only "loaded" in the sense that Charlie Kirk once said the words "God's perfect law" after quoting from Leviticus, where it says to stone to death a man who lies with another man. He was using that verse to disprove the argument that God approves of everybody and every action, and we should just "love our neighbor".

A few users here on steam, and other places around the internet, are using this clip to call him a hateful person, some even going so far to say he deserves death.

So I'm wondering if they also think the same of everyone else who believes that God is perfect.

Originally posted by AustrAlien2010:

I have difficulties taking a supernatural super-being as a straight fact.

I'm not asking you to. I'm asking: how do you feel about people who do?

Originally posted by 1000 Subtick stare:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Basically, so long as your beliefs don't lead to you trying to harm or control others, I don't find them hateful. There is a broad gulf between thought and words/actions--and that gulf is filled with that thing called responsibility.

So transgenders are hateful because they're trying to trick/force me into believing they're real women?

if a guy wants to dress as a woman why should society care.
If a man wants to date another guy why should society care.

As long as they aren't harming anyone, I could not care. But I get your point. If that group is attempting to put their values onto your children I get it. That would not be right.

Originally posted by mai72:

Originally posted by 1000 Subtick stare:

So transgenders are hateful because they're trying to trick/force me into believing they're real women?

if a guy wants to dress as a woman why should society care.
If a man wants to date another guy why should society care.

As long as they aren't harming anyone, I could not care. But I get your point. If that group is attempting to put their values onto your children I get it. That would not be right.

Yeah, to them influencing society and children equates to not being oppressed or whatever anymore. Something demonic happened to the world in the past 15 years or so

Originally posted by Houseman:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

I feel like this is a loaded question, but I'll try to answer it thoughtfully:

Thank you for your answer.
It's only "loaded" in the sense that Charlie Kirk once said the words "God's perfect law" after quoting from Leviticus, where it says to stone to death a man who lies with another man. He was using that verse to disprove the argument that God approves of everybody and every action, and we should just "love our neighbor".

A few users here on steam, and other places around the internet, are using this clip to call him a hateful person, some even going so far to say he deserves death.

So I'm wondering if they also think the same of everyone else who believes that God is perfect.

Originally posted by AustrAlien2010:

I have difficulties taking a supernatural super-being as a straight fact.

I'm not asking you to. I'm asking: how do you feel about people who do?

Oh, I 100% think Charlie was a smug, smarmy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who used rhetorical fallacies to confuse ill-prepared college students into thinking he was a skilled rhetorician, but while his *words* were vile, he never--to my knowledge--acted on them in a way that would've directly harmed another human being.

Indirectly, maybe, given that words can have influence on others, but not directly.

And, one more time, he didn't deserve to die for his words. No one does.

The hateful action last week came from the shooter.

Charlie was--in my personal view--a myopic mental eunuch convinced of his own brilliance because too many college kids couldn't tell a circular argument from a hole in the ground, and some of his views may have encouraged hateful actions in others, but that didn't warrant what was done to him.

And Charlie isn't representative of all Christians anymore than Bin Laden was representative of all Muslims. Tarring an entire faith group with the same over-broad brush that might fit *one* individual would be reductionist--and, really, hateful.

God's law is perfect? ?is this the appropriate time for this kind of talks? when lots of people are going to sell themselves cheaply, and people still ranting about how perfect God's law is?

I also think that its how you interpret the bible. If you believe that its infallible and the word of God, like so many people in the faith than you could do some horrible stuff. Like genocide. Like killing homosexuals because God says so.

Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

That is calling for the death of homosexuals. That isn't love. Its hate. And imagine if you're a Christian and you believe that God has spoke to you to harm people who are gay. Devine Command theory. You are then supposed to engage in such horrible acts because that command is supposedly from God.

I already went through the age of enlightenment. "God" simply cannot be accepted, because there is no scientific evidence of it. Something that doesn't exist cannot be incorperated into my state.

I agree to not believe in that which has not been scientifically proven. That's simply the state of mind that I am in.

I agree with not killing each other, but I don't need "God" for that. I can use regular laws and common sense instead, making sure to not do that.