People who're genuinely posting racism don't end the word with an a or an ah.

When I was 15, I already was old and mature enough to understand, that these kind of messages are not "funny". So these grown, adult (mostly) men are absolutely accountable for what they said and they are not "boys being boys".

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When I was 15, I already was old and mature enough to understand, that these kind of messages are not "funny". So these grown, adult (mostly) men are absolutely accountable for what they said and they are not "boys being boys".

Ahead of your time. You must have hated stand-up comedy.

Why is that ideaology a siren call that even effects people after its demise so long ago.

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When I was 15, I already was old and mature enough to understand, that these kind of messages are not "funny". So these grown, adult (mostly) men are absolutely accountable for what they said and they are not "boys being boys".

Maturity is finding jokes like that funny or at least understanding how others can, not the other way round. You're a brainwashed leftist so you think racism is the primary threat facing the world at the moment. Arguably it is, but not as you conceive it. For those of us who understand that racism essentially doesn't exist any more parody racism, like that in the group chats, derives the humor from the idea of someone actually saying those kinds of things genuinely. No one says those kinds of things genuinely (and indeed none of us even experienced the time where they would have been said genuinely) so we have to pretend that there are people who would say things like that by non-seriously saying them ourselves. Then the humor is "can you imagine if someone was actually stupid and backward enough to say that?"

And that's why things like misspelling slurs is normal, it's a shorthand way to double down that you're not serious.

People who actually believe that kind of thing don't just openly say it because you have eyes on you 24/7 in the modern day.

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When I was 15, I already was old and mature enough to understand, that these kind of messages are not "funny". So these grown, adult (mostly) men are absolutely accountable for what they said and they are not "boys being boys".

Maturity is finding jokes like that funny or at least understanding how others can, not the other way round. You're a brainwashed leftist so you think racism is the primary threat facing the world at the moment. Arguably it is, but not as you conceive it. For those of us who understand that racism essentially doesn't exist any more parody racism, like that in the group chats, derives the humor from the idea of someone actually saying those kinds of things genuinely. No one says those kinds of things genuinely (and indeed none of us even experienced the time where they would have been said genuinely) so we have to pretend that there are people who would say things like that by non-seriously saying them ourselves. Then the humor is "can you imagine if someone was actually stupid and backward enough to say that?"

And that's why things like misspelling slurs is normal, it's a shorthand way to double down that you're not serious.

The TL;DR that this guy is trying to say: Racism doesn't exist and they aren't racist because they don't have perfect grammar and racist jokes are funny.

My response: Racism still exists, not all racist jokes are funny, and if you surround yourself with like-minded people who make you feel comfortable making these kinds of remarks - joke or not - then you're in an echo chamber that basically functions like self-brainwashing. You know, like right-wingers.

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then you're in an echo chamber that basically functions like self-brainwashing. You know, like right-wingers.

I am afraid this applies to you. Your idea that things objectively are or are not funny is a completely irrational idea, for instance. Something you could only believe if you operate entirely within an echo chamber.

You might not find it funny, but the rationale behind the humor is rock solid. You might not think the premises that people believe, such as racism not being a major concern, are true, but what you believe doesn't matter to another person's sense of humor.


Though regarding you claiming that racism still exists, I have to ask, why have so many supposed hate crimes over the last 2 decades at least been hoaxes? If racism was a major concern, the lion's share would be real, no? There would be no need to hoax something that is commonplace.

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People who actually believe that kind of thing don't just openly say it because you have eyes on you 24/7 in the modern day.

Racist people are openly racist all the time. So I think it is fair to assume, that racist people would also be racist in a private chat group, where they assume nobody has access to their communication.

And if somebody thinks, that racism is not a problem and making racist jokes is just for the lolz, than more likely then not, that person is racist. I am fully aware, that racists, don't see themselves as racists and don't want to be called racists.

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Maturity is finding jokes like that funny or at least understanding how others can, not the other way round. You're a brainwashed leftist so you think racism is the primary threat facing the world at the moment. Arguably it is, but not as you conceive it. For those of us who understand that racism essentially doesn't exist any more parody racism, like that in the group chats, derives the humor from the idea of someone actually saying those kinds of things genuinely. No one says those kinds of things genuinely (and indeed none of us even experienced the time where they would have been said genuinely) so we have to pretend that there are people who would say things like that by non-seriously saying them ourselves. Then the humor is "can you imagine if someone was actually stupid and backward enough to say that?"

And that's why things like misspelling slurs is normal, it's a shorthand way to double down that you're not serious.

I'm sorry but do you not see how ridiculous it is to suggest that someone else is brainwashed in the same breath where you claim that "racism essentially doesn't exist any more"?

I want you to take a step back and look at yourself, look at this post, and look at human history. I want you to think about how long ago this sort of rhetoric you claim must be parody was a genuinely espoused and widespread belief.

There are people who are still alive who were alive when the Jim Crow laws were still in effect. There are people who are still alive who were alive when the Holocaust happened. These aren't some events from a bygone era lost to time. We literally still have a living connection to it and to suggest that this kind of hate can't possibly exist outside of parody does not line up with the reality of our history.

I give it 5-10 years before this sort of ideology re-emerges in one country or another from the garbage heap whence it belongs, we get some new humanitarian disaster, and everyone is reminded why our crusty old boomer parents were so horrified of Nazism.

Well, mocking democrats is still more noble than murdering republicans

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Well, mocking democrats is still more noble than murdering republicans

Since when is venerating Hitler "mocking Democrats"?

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People who actually believe that kind of thing don't just openly say it because you have eyes on you 24/7 in the modern day.

Racist people are openly racist all the time.

They really aren't. This is just your lack of exposure to them speaking. Online they stay quiet and only reach out through vague allegory and insinuation. If you pick up on the insinuations then you're likely to be safe, so they might set up private chats or try to meet you in person. Actually in the flesh they'll speak plain, but in a group chat with unknown eyes on it they clam up because you just can't get away with saying things like that out in the open anymore.

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They really aren't.

Well they are. Let's just take Trump, who has been openly racist on television.

Stop defending people making racist remarks. These people are not "kids". They are adults. They knew exactly what they were doing.

And stop trying to characterise their internal group chat as an "open forum". By very definition of a closed group chat, it wasn't a publicly available chat. They thought they were among themselves. Otherwise it would not have been necessary ot have these chats to be "leaked".

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then you're in an echo chamber that basically functions like self-brainwashing. You know, like right-wingers.

I am afraid this applies to you. Your idea that things objectively are or are not funny is a completely irrational idea, for instance. Something you could only believe if you operate entirely within an echo chamber.

You might not find it funny, but the rationale behind the humor is rock solid. You might not think the premises that people believe, such as racism not being a major concern, are true, but what you believe doesn't matter to another person's sense of humor.


Though regarding you claiming that racism still exists, I have to ask, why have so many supposed hate crimes over the last 2 decades at least been hoaxes? If racism was a major concern, the lion's share would be real, no? There would be no need to hoax something that is commonplace.

What-aboutism is so annoying.

I said "not all jokes are funny", which itself is an objective truth, because it's impossible for all of them to be or not to be funny. But you're right about people's humors being different. Because being a funny joke and being a racist remark are not mutually exclusive. If someone says nothing but the N-word, and a white guy laughs because he hates black people, then he finds the "joke" funny and is also a racist.

Also, are you suddenly knowledgeable about every crime ever? There are plenty of racially-motivated crimes even today. Just because you don't see them, it don't mean they don't exist, bud.