Game is perfectly enjoyable, and I have zero issues with Atsu's characterization or presentation apart from the childhood flashbacks.

Helps to actually play the damn thing, rather than quibble over individual actors/actresses. My guess is that most of the folks espousing outrage over Yotei either haven't touched it or are "separate the art from the artist" types when a controversial creator makes something they like (for example: I still read and enjoy the work of Lovecraft, and teach it in my classes; I also teach Lovecraft's history and let my students draw their own conclusions about connections between Lovecraft's views and what might be functioning as metaphoric in "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" or "The Rats in the Walls." I find Lovecraft and his views to be repellent; doesn't stop his fiction from being seminal and important within the horror genre).

Probably both, though. Ain't nothin' gets them clicks and views quite like enthusiastically stroking some rando's throbbing confirmation bias with a little performative outrage.

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Game is perfectly enjoyable, and I have zero issues with Atsu's characterization or presentation apart from the childhood flashbacks.

Helps to actually play the damn thing, rather than quibble over individual actors/actresses. My guess is that most of the folks espousing outrage over Yotei either haven't touched it or are "separate the art from the artist" types when a controversial creator makes something they like (for example: I still read and enjoy the work of Lovecraft, and teach it in my classes; I also teach Lovecraft's history and let my students draw their own conclusions about connections between Lovecraft's views and what might be functioning as metaphoric in "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" or "The Rats in the Walls." I find Lovecraft and his views to be repellent; doesn't stop his fiction from being seminal and important within the horror genre).

Probably both, though. Ain't nothin' gets them clicks and views quite like enthusiastically stroking some rando's throbbing confirmation bias with a little performative outrage.

wtf are you talking about, why would you buy + fund/support something when it has disgusted them with its politics? I remember when the malding trans community were spreading spoilers for hogwarts legacy instead of playing it themselves, and I never expected them to buy it.

im not buying woke slop, not subjecting myself to inevitable buyer's remorse just so I can say "I have proof the game is woke slop I dislike"

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Game is perfectly enjoyable, and I have zero issues with Atsu's characterization or presentation apart from the childhood flashbacks.

Helps to actually play the damn thing, rather than quibble over individual actors/actresses. My guess is that most of the folks espousing outrage over Yotei either haven't touched it

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3588535094

Originally posted by Hex draught:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Game is perfectly enjoyable, and I have zero issues with Atsu's characterization or presentation apart from the childhood flashbacks.

Helps to actually play the damn thing, rather than quibble over individual actors/actresses. My guess is that most of the folks espousing outrage over Yotei either haven't touched it or are "separate the art from the artist" types when a controversial creator makes something they like (for example: I still read and enjoy the work of Lovecraft, and teach it in my classes; I also teach Lovecraft's history and let my students draw their own conclusions about connections between Lovecraft's views and what might be functioning as metaphoric in "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" or "The Rats in the Walls." I find Lovecraft and his views to be repellent; doesn't stop his fiction from being seminal and important within the horror genre).

Probably both, though. Ain't nothin' gets them clicks and views quite like enthusiastically stroking some rando's throbbing confirmation bias with a little performative outrage.

wtf are you talking about, why would you buy + fund/support something when it has disgusted them with its politics? I remember when the malding trans community were spreading spoilers for hogwarts legacy instead of playing it themselves, and I never expected them to buy it.

im not buying woke slop

If you immediately judge all products by those involved in their production, and only by that metric, then I hope you're happy to have others judge who you are as a person by your purchases.

The point of the Lovecraft example was simple: the man was an openly xenophobic, racist eugenicist; a significant amount of his work contains metaphors for what he thought of as the "unnatural evil" of miscegenation.

I still read his work. I still teach that work.

I am not without personal biases, like any other human being, but I find racism repellent, and the idea that people of two races producing a child results in an "inferior" being (miscegenation) to be a laughable manifestation of both deep ignorance of basic genetics and a profound display of personal cowardice. From my point of view, Lovecraft, the person, was a pathetic milksop who needed his jaw adjusted at high speed and heavy impact.

But that doesn't mean he didn't produce work that did not have a *profound* and formative impact on horror as a genre.

Same thing applies here.

You're always free to vote with your wallet, but crusading from a position of ignorance in a culture war only the extreme ends of the political spectrum actually care about is definitely a choice--and a revelatory one, at that.

i was sceptical to start with but was not a bad game. Not as good as the first but my biggest issue with yotei was it did not feel important or urgent like tsushima and the other thing that got me

despite having the 6 as targets not all are killed and felt unfinished to me, the whole game based off the death of the 6 go on and on about it but let some live

Originally posted by 989:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Game is perfectly enjoyable, and I have zero issues with Atsu's characterization or presentation apart from the childhood flashbacks.

Helps to actually play the damn thing, rather than quibble over individual actors/actresses. My guess is that most of the folks espousing outrage over Yotei either haven't touched it

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3579834074

Why is that review hidden in a different game's artwork section?

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

. Ain't nothin' gets them clicks and views quite like enthusiastically stroking some rando's throbbing confirmation bias with a little performative outrage.

Talk about performative. Pretentious posturing aside, this was "revelatory" in itself. How disgusting.

Originally posted by Christian:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

. Ain't nothin' gets them clicks and views quite like enthusiastically stroking some rando's throbbing confirmation bias with a little performative outrage.

Talk about performative. Pretentious posturing aside, this was "revelatory" in itself. How disgusting.

Don't like euphemisms?

Originally posted by Christian:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

. Ain't nothin' gets them clicks and views quite like enthusiastically stroking some rando's throbbing confirmation bias with a little performative outrage.

Talk about performative. Pretentious posturing aside, this was "revelatory" in itself. How disgusting.

don't perforate your posture, that might cause a cerebrospinal fluid spillage!

Originally posted by 989:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Game is perfectly enjoyable, and I have zero issues with Atsu's characterization or presentation apart from the childhood flashbacks.

Helps to actually play the damn thing, rather than quibble over individual actors/actresses. My guess is that most of the folks espousing outrage over Yotei either haven't touched it

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3579834074

Okay? And that review has what to do with your original complaint about the game being "woke?"

I didn't say the game was without flaws; I said it was perfectly enjoyable--the operative word there being "enjoyable," not "perfect."

That's an expression of opinion; the review you've linked is also an expression of opinion.

Your OP and the screed of the other culture warrior in this thread are expressions of lockstep ignorance in the name of refusing to engage with anything the herd deems "woke."

Bit ironic, coming from folks who tend to label themselves as critical thinkers.

Originally posted by Painkilleruk:

i was sceptical to start with but was not a bad game. Not as good as the first but my biggest issue with yotei was it did not feel important or urgent like tsushima and the other thing that got me

despite having the 6 as targets not all are killed and felt unfinished to me, the whole game based off the death of the 6 go on and on about it but let some live

Agreed. First had better pacing, for certain, and the story was significantly more compelling. I'm still meandering around the requisite "fire" area--about to finish--but the drive to go after the Oni and move on is pretty muted, honestly.

As for your other concern, I assume you're talking about the Kitsune. That decision made sense to me from the perspective of character growth for Atsu, but it also felt rushed/unearned. Atsu is basically a zealot when we meet her, and there's not really any developmental arc prior to the Kitsune moment that justifies her decision there.

This may, however, be an artifact of my having gone into the Teshio Ridge region before I tackled the plains; given the order of the names on Atsu's sash, it seems I may have approached them out of order.

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

If you immediately judge all products by those involved in their production, and only by that metric, then I hope you're happy to have others judge who you are as a person by your purchases.

Hahaha nononono, no. You're trying to be sneaky by trying to equate those two.

If the cover of a book says "I am antifa, girls can be badass too, we're making a statement with this one! 🎉" I don't need to read it, and you aren't gaslighting me spending money on it.

If people enjoy it, fine. I'll admit i hold reservations about whether they truly do, because I was around when games were passion projects not laced with such nonsense.

Originally posted by Christian:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

. Ain't nothin' gets them clicks and views quite like enthusiastically stroking some rando's throbbing confirmation bias with a little performative outrage.

Talk about performative. Pretentious posturing aside, this was "revelatory" in itself. How disgusting.

Help me understand how, then. One thing people are really good at is tossing out the tu quoque fallacy without ever bothering to back it up. None of what I said is posturing--it's personally held belief that I've stood by for the entirety of my adult life.

If you find calling people out for obvious displays of bias and basic intellectual bankruptcy to be "pretentious posturing," you're just showing me that you only respect people who stand for the same things you do--which is pretty damn narrow-minded.

Originally posted by Hex draught:

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

If you immediately judge all products by those involved in their production, and only by that metric, then I hope you're happy to have others judge who you are as a person by your purchases.

Hahaha nononono, no. You're trying to be sneaky by trying to equate those two.

If the cover of a book says "I am antifa, girls can be badass too, we're making a statement with this one! 🎉" I don't need to read it, and you aren't gaslighting me spending money on it.

If people enjoy it, fine. I'll admit i hold reservations about whether they truly do, because I was around when games were passion projects not laced with such nonsense.

What "such nonsense" is in the game?

Walking Animation

https://youtu.be/quqNxFZcdcw

Remember, yotei cost around $60 million to make, and this is what you get. 😆

This is embarrassing.