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Fuki (Banned) 28 Oct @ 7:14pm
Would the Founding Fathers Be Republicans Today?
A lot of people in the GOP today are basically classical liberals with older social values. They push for limited government, free markets, and personal responsibility, but also tend to lean toward traditional social and moral norms.

That’s almost exactly what the Founding Fathers were. They built a system based on freedom and individual rights, but they lived in a world with rigid social hierarchies, strong religious expectations, and very different ideas about race, gender, and citizenship. In other words: economically liberal, socially old-school.

If you dropped the Founders straight into 2025, their social views would actually be farther right than even the most conservative voices in modern politics. Slavery, strict gender roles, and deep religious influence were all baked into their worldview. But their political philosophy: small government, states’ rights, personal liberty, still overlaps a lot with what Republicans argue for today.

And here’s another key connection: the Founders were deeply skeptical of pure democracy. They designed a republic, a system of checks, balances, and elected representatives, because they feared direct majority rule could lead to chaos or “mob rule.” Funny enough, that same argument shows up today whenever Republicans point out that “the U.S. is a republic, not a democracy.”

In the midst of all of this, Democrats today focus heavily on welfare programs, redistribution, and a strong federal government, things that would’ve been completely alien (and probably alarming) to guys like Jefferson or Madison. The Founders distrusted centralized power, whether it came from a king or a massive bureaucracy.

So if we’re being honest, the GOP probably reflects the Founders’ classical liberal roots more than the Democrats do. The difference is that the Founders’ social views would make even today’s conservatives look progressive by comparison.

Not saying that’s good or bad, I don't even like them, just being historically consistent.
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Espejismo 28 Oct @ 7:15pm 
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No, the forefathers would be considered radical leftists in todays terms. The King thought they were off their wit as radical as they were.

They were Revolutionaries in the literal of terms.

Much like the Left that followed in other revolutions.

The conservatives or "Tories' were loyal to the King, who were for the conservative values.
Last edited by xBCxRangers; 28 Oct @ 7:21pm
Washington warned about political parties.
Voroff 28 Oct @ 7:17pm 
No, they would first throw up in disgust, then rally and take arms to clean house.
i am not up to date on my american lore, who were the other founding fathers besides george washington?
xDDD 28 Oct @ 7:24pm 
They would probably hate both parties and the state of the country in the current year.

No doubt that they would be far closer to current Republicans than Democrats, though.
Originally posted by salamander:
i am not up to date on my american lore, who were the other founding fathers besides george washington?
Well, there was Benjamin Franklin, who loved his women, hot and young. Even wrote a treatise on the subject. What a guy...
Fun fact:
When those two parties were first founded, the names were reversed. Early "Republicans" had policies that people would associate with modern "Democrats," and vice versa. Then they switched many decades later, basically arbitrarily.

Just in case anyone still believes it isn't a dog-and-pony show.
Originally posted by Mr. Smiles:
Originally posted by salamander:
i am not up to date on my american lore, who were the other founding fathers besides george washington?
Well, there was Benjamin Franklin, who loved his women, hot and young. Even wrote a treatise on the subject. What a guy...

oh dear. well in that case i would say they would assuredly fit right in in current politics, unfortunately.
Originally posted by salamander:
i am not up to date on my american lore, who were the other founding fathers besides george washington?

Well you had Sam Adams, that if he saw what Trump was doing today, would call for property destruction and embracing antifa.

You had John Adams, that would be citing this a "tyrannical government" given Trump sending troops in our cities if he were King George. And circumventing the very congress he helped create.

You had Tom Jefferson, that was against the idea of a Republic altogether.

You had Alexander Hamilton, that came out with the first national bank if only to pay back the French but believed in the barter system (which is more considered socialism before its time).

You had Paul Revere, that Trump would castigate a traitor who should be indicted, reporting that ICE were coming, in a whole country made up of illegal immigrants, at least accordingt to the King.

And of course Washington, who did not even believe in a military, and disbanded it after the war, as if not to become Europe and their lusts for war.

In short, even by the standards of then or today, they do not represent the GOP as it is today.

In fact, they'd be calling for another Tea Party under this guy.
Last edited by xBCxRangers; 28 Oct @ 7:47pm
Yeah must be why they put all those safeguards in the Constitution so someone like Trump could not abuse the system.
Sadly none of them had the vision to see that all those safeguards can simply be ignored if you have unscrupulous enough person and dumb enough followers.
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Voroff 28 Oct @ 7:46pm 
Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:
and dumb enough followers.
AND numerous enought. But we're not talking about the Lawless One, The Liar, the Antechrist. Question was about the Party. The GOP. The "good old party". The FF would have gone apesh!t at that horror that is the Rep'party.
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xDDD 28 Oct @ 7:49pm 
The Founding Fathers would probably be most aligned with Libertarians, but they'd also probably hate the actual Libertarian party (like most other Libertarians)
Fuki (Banned) 28 Oct @ 7:58pm 
Originally posted by xDDD:
The Founding Fathers would probably be most aligned with Libertarians, but they'd also probably hate the actual Libertarian party (like most other Libertarians)
I considered that, but the libertarians are socially liberal. I don't believe the Founders would be socially liberal in the modern sense of the term.
Yes.

The East India Company FLAG is the same as today's USA flag except the corner changed showing a change in management. The USA is a Corporation.
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