doesnt sound like it promotes stability lol

That is the rights of the agency staff just without the scruples of race religion and gender.

Mine and many peoples working lives in the UK who have ever worked on the agency work.

Originally posted by trash nyan:

doesnt sound like it promotes stability lol

It really does not help that at all.

I am all for the flowing market and employing as you need but it does rely on some intelligence and loyalty from companies.

I don't get how the at will employment is legal in the US. In my country I need just cause to fire my employees, and it takes alot more than just saying "you suck at your job" once they have seniority.

I don't mind the legal cause though, while just being able to fire someone for no reason would be tempting, that's even a bridge too far for me.

Maybe it's good for students that work during the holidays for some extra money.

But it's not exactly useful as a stable income.

So find an employer that does not include "at will" in their employment contracts.

Just be aware they typically have more in-depth background checks and tend to avoid hiring anyone with even minor dings on their record.

Because without "at will", the employer is taking on a long-term liability regarding that employee's career.

That sounds illegal.

the correct at-will employement would be that you provide an infinie stack of goverment jobs....


everybody that is fysically unable to work gets generous wellfare (about 2000 euro taxfree each month)

everybody that can work but just is unemployed... get a far more meager amount.. say 1400 euro a month...


we than have these goverment jobs... always available for every citycen.
you show up between 7 and 8 am you can go home between 7 and 8 pm
you will get 20 euro cash in hand taxfree from the state you may keep on top of that 1000 euro wellfare and during this workday will recieve 3 hot meals...

so there never will be no work the 1000 euro is enough for rent and utilies and such.. and the hot meal +20 euro feeds you and provides something extra..

it still is no replacement for a full time minimwage job.. that will pay 2300 euro a month.
granted before taxes but due still getting rent and child subsidy thats still about 2000 a month after taxes..


so you guarantee that people always have a way to earn a little extra.. and all this labour city councels and such would get they can alocate as they see fit.. have them fix streets, collect garbadge, deliver and sort post, do some digging of canals.. all those civillian serves they could use that labour for..

make the concept of "can't find a job" basicly exctinct... full employment for all...
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the way it is used in the usa that term is deplorable...

here **you get 2 months notice before terminate by law MINIMUM
-if your on sickleave (which is paid and unlimited.. we have no sickdays when your sick your sick and employers just have to pay you) you cannot be terminated.

**only when an employee has been 2 years uninterupted on sickleave.. they can be terminated.. (than the state will start to pay them diability instead)

in reverse an employee here can go anytime they want (it is unwise to for quitting like that disqualifies you for wellfare for a couple months) but if you have another job lined up... well byeeee..

so we have it completely reversed here the employee can go anytime they want.. while the employer has to announce 2 months in advance AS IT SHOULD BE

than if you get fired this happens :
**they say you get fired
-you keep worming and paid normally for more months
-than you get severance pay of at least 2 months full wages + 1 month for every full year worked for this employer alongside your last wage.
+for a minimum of 6 months your now former employer still needs to pay you 70% of your last pay so while recuded your wage still keeps continuing 6 more months at least.
-> this can be extended if you worked longer at your current employer.. it is 1 month per worked year with current employer with a minimum of 6 and maximum of 24 month.
**so if you fire a person that had been working 24 years with your compagny you be paying 2 years of severance pay AND will be paying 70% of their wage for 2 more years..
for recent hires it is 2 months severance pay and 6 months 70% wage..
->>>
thus firing people is expensive.. it prevents them doing crap!

this is what you need to have in labourlaw in usa too.... the terms that are normal in usa makes every person in europe go your joking right.. what you consider a good job offer gets laughed away here... even if you over me 100k for what I get payed 50k here.. stick it where the sun not shines not under THOSE conditions...

In such a situation, my attendance will also be at-will. Much like Harry Houdini, I will hit them with the "now you see me, now you don't" type of thing.

Depends on the underlying welfare system.

Of course it´s stupid, if You have no welfare system at all - because it might produce more criminals. Also i´m unsure how the people in certain countries are able to get loans if their job isn´t secure. Like: one does not really have a security that the money gets paid back.

If You have a good working welfare system: It´s stupid not to have it. Also: it´s not that companies would have it very hard to bypass any such employment laws. "Oh - i saw You stole something, and he here is my witness. I can never trust You again. Go home."

💬 “At-Will Employment” — How is this even a thing?

In the U.S., most jobs are “at-will”, meaning your boss can fire you any time, for almost any reason (or none) — and you can quit whenever you want.
Only a few exceptions apply, like discrimination or retaliation. You could even get fired after reporting a safety issue, and they’d just call it “performance.”

It came from 1800s America and stuck because it gives companies “flexibility.”
In Europe, that’s wild — most places require “just cause” and notice before firing.

💬 Why does company wealth trump “We the People”?

The U.S. was founded on freedom and equality, but in practice money talks louder than democracy.
From the start, American law treated property rights as sacred. Wealthy landowners wrote the Constitution to protect property first, and that idea evolved into corporate rights — even the right to use money as speech through lobbying and donations.

By the 20th century, “strong economy = freedom” became gospel, so regulation stayed light and power followed wealth.
Today, corporations and donors shape laws, media, and policy more than voters do.
The system protects wealth before people — by design.

💬 “We the People” — or “We the Corporations”?

That mindset shows up everywhere:

Right-to-work laws → weaken unions, cheapen labor

Healthcare → business, not a right

Minimum wage → “the market decides”

Environment → laws cut if they “hurt growth”

Freedom in America usually means freedom for business, not security for citizens.

💬 How It All Started — “Protecting Property” Over People

After the Revolution, the U.S. was broke and divided. When farmers and veterans rose up in Shays’ Rebellion over crushing taxes, the elite panicked.
They met in secret in 1787 and wrote a new Constitution to create a strong government that could protect property and crush uprisings — and it worked.

That’s why the U.S. system still prioritizes economic stability and property rights over social protections. It’s built into the country’s DNA.

💬 So… did the people lose?

Pretty much. The Revolution removed the king but not the class system — power just moved to rich landowners and merchants at home.
Every right since — voting, labor laws, civil rights — had to be fought for, not given.
The U.S. calls itself a democracy, but it was never meant to be fully democratic. The people have been clawing back power ever since.

💬 Major Steps Forward & Pushbacks in U.S. History

1. Post-Revolution / Early Republic

Shays’ Rebellion (1786–1787) → Farmers protest taxes & debt.

Response → Constitution written to strengthen federal power and protect property over ordinary citizens.

2. Civil War & Reconstruction (1861–1877)

Forward → Abolition of slavery, 13th-15th Amendments, voting rights for Black men.

Back → Jim Crow laws, voter suppression, segregation, lynching.

3. Labor & Workers’ Rights (Late 1800s–1930s)

Forward → Early unions, 8-hour day fights, New Deal protections (minimum wage, Social Security, unions legalized).

Back → Corporate resistance, union-busting, weakened labor laws post-WWII, right-to-work laws in the 1940s–70s.

4. Women’s Rights (19th century–1970s)

Forward → Women’s suffrage (19th Amendment, 1920), reproductive rights (Roe v. Wade, 1973), workplace protections (Title VII, Equal Pay Act).

Back → Persistent wage gaps, rollbacks on reproductive rights, ongoing challenges to Roe in 2020s.

5. Civil Rights & Social Justice (1950s–1970s)

Forward → Brown v. Board (1954), Civil Rights Act (1964), Voting Rights Act (1965), Great Society programs.

Back → Voter ID laws, gerrymandering, mass incarceration, backlash against affirmative action, weakening of social programs under neoliberalism.

6. Environmental Movement (1960s–1990s)

Forward → Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, EPA created.

Back → Deregulation under Reagan & Trump, corporate lobbying to weaken protections, climate change inaction.

7. LGBTQ+ Rights (1970s–2020s)

Forward → Decriminalization of homosexuality, marriage equality (Obergefell v. Hodges, 2015).

Back → Anti-LGBTQ legislation in some states, ongoing discrimination, challenges to protections.

8. Modern Era / Neoliberalism (1980s–present)

Forward → Expanded global trade, some tech access, minimum anti-discrimination laws.

Back → Deregulation, privatization of healthcare & social programs, massive wealth inequality, corporate lobbying dominating politics.

9. Reproductive Rights & Women’s Autonomy (1970s–2020s)

Forward → Roe v. Wade (1973) → legalized abortion nationwide.

Back → Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health (2022) → abortion rights rolled back in many states.

💡 The Pattern

Step forward → People organize, demand rights, gain protections.

Pushback → Wealth and corporate power responds, often eroding or reversing those gains.

Repeat → The cycle continues — progress is real but fragile.

This pattern applies across race, gender, labor, environment, reproductive rights, voting, healthcare, and more. The system is built to protect wealth, so every societal gain triggers a counter-push to restore elite control.

I hate it- but I get it.

I arrived here broke and initially worked pizza(again) and was renting a room and things didn't just fall from the sky. I had to bust a move to get it GOING!

And here in Nv. the employment and landlord/tenant laws are totally one-sided. As much as I hate it, I get it.

What if there is a corrupt employee? What if people gamble the rent money away?

I now live comfortably in a house in the hills- but that isn't how most live.

This is why I constantly am telling people what they don't want to hear.

The bills are paid. Good, now get a second job, You make good money. Good. Now save and invest huge chunks and forget about the flashy stupidity like fancy cars, kids that nobody wants, marriages just to be with the first warm body...

Because at any moment that job can go bye-bye.

Even a ton of the mega-mansions in town are resales. Often times ones that never actually got lived in!!

Think about it.

how is this a question?

Originally posted by Apollo702:

I hate it- but I get it.

I arrived here broke and initially worked pizza(again) and was renting a room and things didn't just fall from the sky. I had to bust a move to get it GOING!

And here in Nv. the employment and landlord/tenant laws are totally one-sided. As much as I hate it, I get it.

What if there is a corrupt employee? What if people gamble the rent money away?

I now live comfortably in a house in the hills- but that isn't how most live.

This is why I constantly am telling people what they don't want to hear.

The bills are paid. Good, now get a second job, You make good money. Good. Now save and invest huge chunks and forget about the flashy stupidity like fancy cars, kids that nobody wants, marriages just to be with the first warm body...

Because at any moment that job can go bye-bye.

Even a ton of the mega-mansions in town are resales. Often times ones that never actually got lived in!!

Think about it.

people who have no kids are selfish pricks who should be made to be financially so bad off vs those who have them.. if I wrote the laws..

a society cannot excisting on "somebody elses kids" =... no civilization did last for more than 100 years after it's birthrate dropped below 2.1 (replacement rate).. it is what killed every ancient, classical, medieval and modern empire, kingdom, and what will kill us... unless we revert it..

and to get your people to have kids.. you need them to have the means to do that that means woman who are not mindwashed into feminist nonsense.. a population that puts the greater good before their own individual needs... and a society that provides you with the means to actually afford and sustain that family....

a good welfare state, job security, and enough room to live (meaning houses that are good enough and affordable and stay that way)...
as well as safety -> not crime everywhere a fair and functioning justrice system...

all helps in that you need to get family...

your cynicism about first warm body... well what good is it to build wealth and have nobody to pass it forth the greatest wealth is your offspring...

so yeah that EVEN those in usa on 1%^wages.. can be tomorrow in the gutter and unemployed.. how can you build ANYTHING on such uncertainy.. you need stability