Wait... They have a Workers Union?

Why didn´t they go on strike 100% on day one? Like "We do absolutely nothing if You don´t agree on something within the next 24h." You can clean Your office alone, no driver, no cook, no government services for anyone, no nothing, no bodyguards. If anybody breaks the strike - he gets shot by accident, but sadly the police will be on strike too.

Originally posted by salva早晨享用的咖啡:

"largest union in USA turn on democrats"

"Everett Kelley, who leads the American Federation of Government Employees representing more than 800,000 workers, avoided assigning blame to either party"

Originally posted by salva早晨享用的咖啡:

"largest union in USA turn on democrats"

"avoided assigning blame to either party"

Originally posted by Triple G:

Wait... They have a Workers Union?

Why didn´t they go on strike 100% on day one? Like "We do absolutely nothing if You don´t agree on something within the next 24h." You can clean Your office alone, no driver, no cook, no government services for anyone, no nothing, no bodyguards. If anybody breaks the strike - he gets shot by accident, but sadly the police will be on strike too.

they did not expect democrats will hold government funding hostage for a month

Originally posted by salva早晨享用的咖啡:

they did not expect democrats will hold government funding hostage for a month

Like the other guy said, they were neutral about it.

But if they have a workers union it should be impossible that it could come to a situation that the people work for no money, or temporary lose their work and income. It´s only possible when these workers unions are the most useless workers unions on the planet - which automatically invalidates everything they could possibly say.

Originally posted by Santa Klaus:

Originally posted by salva早晨享用的咖啡:

"largest union in USA turn on democrats"

"Everett Kelley, who leads the American Federation of Government Employees representing more than 800,000 workers, avoided assigning blame to either party"

Originally posted by salva早晨享用的咖啡:

"largest union in USA turn on democrats"

"avoided assigning blame to either party"

you expected something different from a bait thread lol?

Oh crap forgot about that. AFGE is not collecting union dues if the workers are not getting paid.

Nobody paying Everett Kelley right now. He normally makes $21,000 a month.

Originally posted by Triple G:

Wait... They have a Workers Union?

Why didn´t they go on strike 100% on day one? Like "We do absolutely nothing if You don´t agree on something within the next 24h." You can clean Your office alone, no driver, no cook, no government services for anyone, no nothing, no bodyguards. If anybody breaks the strike - he gets shot by accident, but sadly the police will be on strike too.

You say that, but labor unions in the US do tend to have a very close relationship with organized crime families who organized and ran unions to extort businesses for money by threatening strikes, and then a significant portion of the money the union members receive go to the union leadership (mafia) as union dues, essentially forcing businesses to pay "protection money" to avoid labor stoppages.

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

You say that, but labor unions in the US do tend to have a very close relationship with organized crime families who organized and ran unions to extort businesses for money by threatening strikes, and then a significant portion of the money the union members receive go to the union leadership (mafia) as union dues, essentially forcing businesses to pay "protection money" to avoid labor stoppages.

So in short You say that the US government is run by organized crime families, like in this case the "business" would be the government, and Trump basically gets threatened by some AL Capone Jr. guy - and actually ♥♥♥♥♥ in his pants knowing about it. That´s the first - and rather harsh - critique i heard from You about the US, even if i think that it rather sounds like a conspiracy theory, because workers unions are probably seen as communists in certain circles in the US. While in general they seem to be very ineffective, comparing the workers rights in the US to Europe.

Originally posted by Triple G:

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

You say that, but labor unions in the US do tend to have a very close relationship with organized crime families who organized and ran unions to extort businesses for money by threatening strikes, and then a significant portion of the money the union members receive go to the union leadership (mafia) as union dues, essentially forcing businesses to pay "protection money" to avoid labor stoppages.

So in short You say that the US government is run by organized crime families, like in this case the "business" would be the government, and Trump basically gets threatened by some AL Capone Jr. guy - and actually ♥♥♥♥♥ in his pants knowing about it. That´s the first - and rather harsh - critique i heard from You about the US, even if i think that it rather sounds like a conspiracy theory, because workers unions are probably seen as communists in certain circles in the US. While in general they seem to be very ineffective, comparing the workers rights in the US to Europe.

Unions are less about "workers rights" and more about collective bargaining for money and gatekeeping. For example, some states have it so you cannot work in a trade like electrician, carpenter, plumber, etc unless you're in the associated labor union. Which means the union, not just the employer, gets to decide whether or not you're even allowed to get hired in that career. Firstly, they intentionally keep their membership constrained in order to keep competition down, and wages higher. However, if allowed to work as one, you are required to pay the head of that union a portion of what you earn for that privilege.

Of course, since many of these trades are construction, it makes the cost of construction higher, which reduces housing, and jacks up housing costs. That's a big part of why it costs so much more to live in a place like New York.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADR3P3P1OVA

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

Which means the union, not just the employer, gets to decide whether or not you're even allowed to get hired in that career.

Here it would be only about getting fired. Like the company can´t do this alone, and You would have a free lawyer for any work related cases. As a member of course, else You get all the benefits if it´s about income and holidays even if You´re not part of the union, or work for another company with no union, but falls under the same category of jobs.

As a member You´d need to pay a fee of course. Don´t know - not so much. I guess 30,-€ or depending on the income per month, so there´s money when there´s a strike, and two times per year there would be a meeting for like 2 hours each, for which You get 200,-€, but this may also depend on the union. And the meeting is like sitting there and drinking beer, while some people hold speeches. Which is why You drink the beer to make this bearable. And then You can either stay there and have a party or drive home. You still get the full money for it, so i prefer to go home, because i like to spend as little time as possible on work or with co-workers, who tend to only talk about work...

Still the Unions here are not good. Like they rarely go on strike, and are in general too much in favor of the employer. Like the Unions should be about that the workers have a say how it works, and not agree with all kinds of decisions. And the actual Union people would need to be payed by the employer - depending on the size of the company, and they can´t get fired of course. There would be elections for them every now and then.

Originally posted by OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle:

you expected something different from a bait thread lol?

No its simply true,
https://apnews.com/article/trump-chavezderemer-labor-secretary-unions-republicans-1bff41e4caef610dbf38ead24d292e67

The only Unions that would go with the Democrats America Last agenda are ones with subverted leadership
https://youtu.be/VwvQs-i75zk


https://youtu.be/z_7dPRSBmqw?feature=share

Originally posted by Triple G:

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

Which means the union, not just the employer, gets to decide whether or not you're even allowed to get hired in that career.

Here it would be only about getting fired. Like the company can´t do this alone, and You would have a free lawyer for any work related cases. As a member of course, else You get all the benefits if it´s about income and holidays even if You´re not part of the union, or work for another company with no union, but falls under the same category of jobs.

As a member You´d need to pay a fee of course. Don´t know - not so much. I guess 30,-€ or depending on the income per month, so there´s money when there´s a strike, and two times per year there would be a meeting for like 2 hours each, for which You get 200,-€, but this may also depend on the union. And the meeting is like sitting there and drinking beer, while some people hold speeches. Which is why You drink the beer to make this bearable. And then You can either stay there and have a party or drive home. You still get the full money for it, so i prefer to go home, because i like to spend as little time as possible on work or with co-workers, who tend to only talk about work...

Still the Unions here are not good. Like they rarely go on strike, and are in general too much in favor of the employer. Like the Unions should be about that the workers have a say how it works, and not agree with all kinds of decisions. And the actual Union people would need to be payed by the employer - depending on the size of the company, and they can´t get fired of course. There would be elections for them every now and then.

It's pretty common for someone to actually get screwed over by an employer and the union does nothing because it would cost them more money than what that one individual was paying in dues. So they just replace them. They deny hundreds every year to keep their numbers fixed so it's not hard to let a couple more in to keep paying. But, particularly in my state you HAVE to sign up and pay them dues, or you just don't work in that industry no matter how qualifies you are, no matter how much you need the job.

You'll hear a lot of nonsense about "right to work" states, but all that does is prevent unions from being able to tell people they can't get a job. You can still sign up with one. You can still pay the dues, get any "benefits" they may offer, maybe even get paid more. But, you don't have to if you don't want to.

Unions are bad for corperations