Who will win? BRICS or NATO?

Yeah, in case you've missed it (entirely plausible since your presence on the internet seems to be very much modelled on the sinlge idea of "Must bash Trump") this has been going on for a couple of decades at least - though I'd say since the mid-90s really.

Which is one of the many reason why antagonizing Russia over a slice of Ukraine and leaving as their only option an alliance - economical and political - with China, India and Iran (because Iran is very much part of this new geopolitical Axis) is an extremely stupid move in geopolitical terms.
A move that we'll have to pay in the coming decades.

But glad to see you're now recognising that rolling out the red carpet for President Putin was the correct diplomatic move.
Are you going to criticise Biden for not doing that throughout the four years he was in office?

Does America deserve to fail? Are you guys justified?

Originally posted by kbiz:

Does America deserve to fail? Are you guys justified?

India and China are now better allies because of Trump

Orange has fractured the americanoeuro alliance system and created an asian powerblock consisting of 5 billion?

Us, euros, and asian alliance

Originally posted by Cyberpunk Alien:

Originally posted by kbiz:

Does America deserve to fail? Are you guys justified?

India and China are now better allies because of Trump

Are they? It's chess, not checkers. It's long-term, not short-term.

If you hate America, why do you support the Democrats?

Originally posted by kbiz:

Originally posted by Cyberpunk Alien:

India and China are now better allies because of Trump

Are they? It's chess, not checkers. It's long-term, not short-term.

If you hate America, why do you support the Democrats?

I never said I hated America. I hate Trump's America.

America infuriates me. Never in history has there been a country so blessed by circumstances. I don't know how they managed to blow it.

In terms of foreign policy it's been a disaster since the beginning. Good job on fixing the hypocrisy of advocating for liberal democracy while suppressing self-determination and supporting dictatorships abroad. Now that you've abandonned liberal democracy, there's no contradiction anymore.

Originally posted by Cyberpunk Alien:

Who will win? BRICS or NATO?

China alone would be difficult enough for N.A.T.O. to defeat using conventional warfare because China is the manufacturing tour-de-force of the world right now, has a tremendous population that is larger than that of all of the N.A.T.O. allies combined. The landmass of Russia could provide further shelter to Chinese troops to disperse them enough so that you can't kill as many in a single tactical strike, and Russia's nuclear arsenal outstrips that of the U.S.A., alongside 500 of China's own nukes. Granted, most of those arsenals will likely be rendered irrelevant over fears of nuclear winter[www.ippnw.org]. It would take an absolutely existential threat to a nation's people in order for them to disregard that. The Chinese naval fleet is bigger than the U.S.A's., and while the U.S.A's. has a qualitative advantage, that might not last forever.

Throw in Russia too and I think N.A.T.O. alone would likely lose, with or without india, which may be swayed by its commonwealth ties not to not attack N.A.T.O. and at the very least remain neutral in the conflict. I particularly lack faith in N.A.T.O. as an organization that on the whole has willfully underfunded its defensive capabilities. They've disregarded the 2% spending floor for decades. N.A.T.O. can't even take on Afghanistan.

With that having been said, such a war likely wouldn't be restricted to the named parties. Brazil isn't involved, and that's kind of important because for one thing Brazil is supposed to be one of the U.S.A's. 20 major non-nato allies[samm.dsca.mil] (adding the de-facto status of Taiwan among the ranks of the other 19 formal allies), and B.R.I.C.S. is not a military alliance. It's just a trading bloc. Brazil may elect to ultimately side with the U.S.A. Pakistan normally doesn't get along very well with India, and the U.S.A. has the support of Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and probably Australia in a conflict with China. 'course, North Korea may very well just cancel out south korea.

India, Russia, and China were already on the same side, since BRICS. Or have you not been paying attention to global events at any point over the past 20 years?

Originally posted by Cyberpunk Alien:

Who will win? BRICS or NATO?

Without NATO buyers BRICS would lag behind and more people would leave BRICS to settle in NATO countries / Other countries.

It is the long game at play if done sensibly and BRICS could over take NATO countries eventually .
The Employment in my personal opinion should come down to individuals forming groups of robotic and drone creations / Manufacturing that should be the future of what we are taught in schools.
These tech we create will be our income - it is an idealism.

If you mean by war then currently NATO.
It would depend what the end goal is for such a war though because it wouldn't benefit anybody.

Originally posted by Devious:

America infuriates me. Never in history has there been a country so blessed by circumstances. I don't know how they managed to blow it.

In terms of foreign policy it's been a disaster since the beginning. Good job on fixing the hypocrisy of advocating for liberal democracy while suppressing self-determination and supporting dictatorships abroad. Now that you've abandonned liberal democracy, there's no contradiction anymore.

We weren't blessed by circumstances. We fought for it, earned it, we created it and have yet to blow anything. And that's precisely why CCP cheerleaders are making threads about the US on a daily basis in any forum that doesn't ban them for it. Do you seriously think the US saying "we're not going to let China dump their ♥♥♥♥ into our markets unchecked" is blowing anything?

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

India, Russia, and China were already on the same side, since BRICS. Or have you not been paying attention to global events at any point over the past 20 years?

It goes a fair bit back more than 2 decades, example being the G77 group. BRICS would be the vanguard / nuclear deterrent part of the group as a whole.

Originally posted by Cyberpunk Alien:

End of American Empire
China’s Xi rolls out the red carpet for Putin and Modi as Trump upends global relations.

India, China and Russia are uniting against U.S. and the West. America had better get their Canadian and EU allies back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydNi1K6cmuk

End of the American Empire? Nope.
At most they will go out the same way the UK has gone from Empire, to regular country with nuclear deterrent. Nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by Devious:

America infuriates me. Never in history has there been a country so blessed by circumstances. I don't know how they managed to blow it.

In terms of foreign policy it's been a disaster since the beginning. Good job on fixing the hypocrisy of advocating for liberal democracy while suppressing self-determination and supporting dictatorships abroad. Now that you've abandonned liberal democracy, there's no contradiction anymore.

I think you need to focus on the radical left instead. They fractured the Democrat party. That's why you see such a dramatic red shift.

Don't let the radical left control your policy.