Now Germany and UK are leading the way on totalitarian regimes.

Originally posted by Abaddon the Despoiler:

Now Germany and UK are leading the way on totalitarian regimes.

not as Bad as Russia and the USA.

Those kind of people are everywhere, they blend in and they'll always be around. They want admiration and power. They are tyrants, they want to dictate and control.

Have you ever seen how entitled and sensitive Jewish people can be? Mock or criticize them it's a "HOW DARE YOU? YOU PEASANT!" kind of thing. They become SO VINDICTIVE, predatory, sadistic. We better praise them or... it's gonna hit the fan.

I ❤️ VW & Audi.

https://youtu.be/K9bua4XxWQA
Either Germany votes @AfD or it is the end of Germany
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1961947101035675798

CLOSE your borders.

The Gestapo are in the USA though

Originally posted by Big&Black:

Not to mention of course that attempting to question the official story of the Holocaust will also land you in a cell. You can literally go to prison for publishing a book questioning alleged events from almost a century ago. I'm sure this will help make the bad people go away! Democracy FTW!

Oh no, denying the most horrifying genocide in human history will land the person in jail, if it isn't the consequences of your freedom. As for punishment for writing book of lies that twists events in history or pushes a lie, but the book is pushed as actual historic account, again not the consequences of writer's action.

Freedom doesn't mean the right to be a bad person. Also you can insult a politician in Germany and walk scot free, it literally happened to someone who insulted leader of AfD

whats that

Originally posted by Warlock:

Originally posted by Big&Black:

Not to mention of course that attempting to question the official story of the Holocaust will also land you in a cell. You can literally go to prison for publishing a book questioning alleged events from almost a century ago. I'm sure this will help make the bad people go away! Democracy FTW!

Oh no, denying the most horrifying genocide in human history will land the person in jail, if it isn't the consequences of your freedom.

Even if the ridiculous 6 million number was true, this idea is based on ignorance of history, with King Leopold II being an easy example. Most people are still suffering the traumatic effects of relentless propaganda during childhood, and are unaware that desperate tales like "human fat soap", "human skin lampshades" and "hair mattresses" were debunked years ago. People under the influence still haven't managed to process the tale of stacks of thousands of human bodies burned down to ash in open fire pits in the sites allegedly used for the job (not physically possible), or the logistics of doing this to 6 million bodies in 4-5 years.

Regardless, denying anything in history would not be a punishable offence in any democratic rational and civilised society.
This selective prohibition is only for the privileged group to feel superior and continue extracting money as Holocaust reparations and enjoying the eternal victim status.
Meanwhile, denying any other genocide, such as what Stalin did, or what Israel is doing now, has no consequences whatsoever.

Truth doesn't fear criticism (nothing topic specific—just a general statement). Real narrative doesn't require protection in open engagement, as it will always come to intellectually vindicate itself through productive and unrestrained discussion.

Just because such a "hypothetical" law was promoted through the sociopolitical agenda of the mass society—and enabled through social conditioning of the educational system—doesn't mean that you get to say: "This is the way it is—'do not' question it", and then pull up the ladder behind you without the thought of people rightfully suspecting that you are full of ♥♥♥♥. Not everyone (especially the smarter people) in society is going to be as stupid and subservient as you may wish they would've been; you are not going to win hearts through censorship.

It is not going to look good for your society's image in the long run when the more observant people can see that you are cowering from social commentary as a society that has something to hide through artificial enforcement by the law rather than vindicating it through intellectual dismantling to help tangibly prove it once and for all as fact rather than opinion. BTW, literally 1984.

Originally posted by -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

Originally posted by Abaddon the Despoiler:

Now Germany and UK are leading the way on totalitarian regimes.

not as Bad as Russia and the USA.

True, true....

Originally posted by Big&Black:

In "democratic" Germany, insulting a politician on the internet is now an arrestable offence,

Insulting anyone is a criminal offence in Germany, regardless of whether it occurs in person, in writing or digitally. And anyone can report it as such. I didn't realize the right to protect your reputation and dignity as a citizen is now totalitarianism.

Originally posted by Big&Black:

Originally posted by Warlock:

Oh no, denying the most horrifying genocide in human history will land the person in jail, if it isn't the consequences of your freedom.

Even if the ridiculous 6 million number was true

That's all I needed to hear from you. A shame Stitch doesn't exist irl

I am definitely concerned about laws that restrict speech even if they are meant to combat hate. It paints a pretty negative picture but lets be honest it is missing some context. Germany does have those laws but they are often about things like inciting violence or denying the Holocaust (which is irrational).

And I bet it depends how you criticize the situation of Israel. There is a huge difference between like calling out Israeli actions and just being a straightup antisemite and okay I wonder why Germany is taking this approach. There is probably a lot more going on behind the scenes.