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How do you take this Trump piece?
It is very hard, if not impossible, to win a war without attacking an invader's country. It's like a great team in sports that has a fantastic defense, but is not allowed to play offense. There is no chance of winning! It is like that with Ukraine and Russia.
Crooked and grossly incompetent Joe Biden would not let Ukraine FIGHT BACK, only DEFEND. How did that work out?
Regardless, this is a war that would NEVER happened if I were President - ZERO CHANCE. Interesting times ahead!!!
President DJT

Is he celebrating Ukraine ?
Is he giving Russia a signal to prepare against a Ukrainian invasion?
Is he just making opportunity to speak to his fans and viewers?

- and another Russian Oil Refinery hit, one of the largest pipelines in the world if not the largest.
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Sometimes I wonder if the things posted on his Truth Social are real, or even posted by him.

Anyway, this looks like he might be saying the reason the Ukraine couldn't make any headway in the war is because Biden wouldn't let them attack Russian territory. He might be considering giving them the green light to do so if necessary, while also acknowledging that Russia has thus so far had the upper hand. Looks like a move to pressure Putin into taking a peace deal if he doesn't want a counter-invasion to happen on his home turf, while also downplaying the Ukraine enough to keep them eager enough to accept one if offered.

Diplomacy is a subtle game of balance, and it seems to me like a well crafted enough statement to maintain that balance.
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He's been incredibly inconsistent on his Ukraine policy.

I'll get this out of the way first: if we were really going to help Ukraine eject Russia from illegally-seized territory, we should've done it under Biden. Playing "oh, but we got along under Gorbachev" ignores the twin realities that Putin is very clearly not Gorbachev, and Putin's stated desire to restore former USSR territories. Because the Cold War is in my living memory, placating Putin seems like an incredibly bad idea, and Biden bears significant blame for not helping Ukraine through UN accession and giving them the means to strike Russian territory after Russia invaded.

But Trump changes position like most people change their underwear--and these vacillations seem to be based entirely around whether Putin is currently "being nice" to him or not. When Putin ignores Trump, Trump responds with bravado and bluster; when Putin salves Trump's evident insecurities with being seen as a "strong" man, Trump not only warms to Putin's positions, but openly parrots his talking points vis a vis Ukraine.

So we 100% missed an opportunity to shut this problem down under Biden, and are now dealing with a President who conducts foreign policy like a high school kid selecting between options for a prom date--and in both cases, it is Ukraine paying the price for our overall fecklessness.
Just his morning bout of dementia.
I would just leave them both to it instead of wasting money on it, perhaps the medicaid would have benefitted from those billions that where sent and disappeared in ukraine
I interpret it this way:
  • He wants the fighting to stop.
  • And now he's saying best way to achieve that is with more fighting.
  • But mostly he wants to blame Biden.
He's saying exactly what normal, sane people have been saying since... I don't know, summer 2022 at least?

Ukraine cannot win this war.
Because winning the war involves driving the Russians out of their country and that's not something Ukraine has the ability to do.
Plus, unless you could drive a few tens of thousands of troops to Moscow and beyond, the only effect you'd have is moving the frontline east, not really ending the war.

If we want to defeat Russia on the battlefield, aka winning the war, the only way to do it is by putting European and American soldiers on the ground in Ukraine and actually going to war with Russia.
With all the costs and the risks that move would involve.

At the same time, Russia cannot win as long as the West provides unlimited funding, unlimited equipment, unassailable (really, invulnerable would be a better term) supply lines and intelligence to Ukraine.



Which means the only way to end this war is by having neither side get a win.
By sitting them both down at a table, hearing what Putin wants and what Zelensky want and give a bit to one and a bit to another.
Neither side coming out of the room with all their demands fullfilled - and both side complaining that the other got the better deal - is the only way to end this particular war.



And, as a side note, Trump's diplomacy works precisely because it is unpredictable.
That's why Putin didn't attack Ukraine while he was President and that's why Kim Jong Un started launching rockets only after Trump was out of office: you don't know how he'll react and that forces you to move cautiosly.
Maybe he'll laugh and pat you on the back, maybe he'll send a nuke straight for your bedroom.
Unpredictability is good when you're dealing with nationstates and if the Left ever got a bit tired from screaming "fascist, warmonger, dictator, insane" etc etc, maybe they will realize it too.
Originally posted by Immortalis:
hearing what Putin wants

Putin wants the eradication of Ukraine as a people and country and identity and replace it with becoming Russian / Soviet, as well as the mines and land for further advancement and 'see it as' permission to take on Moldova next.
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The war in Ukraine is gonna end with the NATO or with the dead of putain. They can talk as much they want, not russia or Ukraine wants peace, expecially because for Ukraine that's not a peace but a surrender.
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Originally posted by Corvus XIII:
Originally posted by Immortalis:
hearing what Putin wants

Putin wants the eradication of Ukraine as a people and country and identity and replace it with becoming Russian / Soviet, as well as the mines and land for further advancement and 'see it as' permission to take on Moldova next.

Aside from this being a ridiculous claim based on nothing more than the usual "Putin is a monster" screaming, that's exactly why Putin isn't going to get that.

Just like Zelensky isn't going to get all that he asks for, namely the return of every single slice of land Ukraine claims, Putin stepping down alongside his entire entourage and all of them being brought up in front of the ICC to be prosecuted for war crimes, Ukraine's entry into NATO and a pot of magical gold at the end of the rainbow.
Originally posted by Immortalis:
Originally posted by Corvus XIII:

Putin wants the eradication of Ukraine as a people and country and identity and replace it with becoming Russian / Soviet, as well as the mines and land for further advancement and 'see it as' permission to take on Moldova next.

Aside from this being a ridiculous claim based on nothing more than the usual "Putin is a monster" screaming, that's exactly why Putin isn't going to get that.

It is not a ridiculous claim, have you even read Putin's Essay?
Originally posted by Corvus XIII:
It is very hard, if not impossible, to win a war without attacking an invader's country. It's like a great team in sports that has a fantastic defense, but is not allowed to play offense. There is no chance of winning! It is like that with Ukraine and Russia.
Crooked and grossly incompetent Joe Biden would not let Ukraine FIGHT BACK, only DEFEND. How did that work out?
Regardless, this is a war that would NEVER happened if I were President - ZERO CHANCE. Interesting times ahead!!!
President DJT

Is he celebrating Ukraine ?
Is he giving Russia a signal to prepare against a Ukrainian invasion?
Is he just making opportunity to speak to his fans and viewers?

- and another Russian Oil Refinery hit, one of the largest pipelines in the world if not the largest.

He's talking smack again but when putin visits him he will roll out the red carpet again. trump should act, not talk a big game and then taco out of it.
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Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:
He's been incredibly inconsistent on his Ukraine policy.

I'll get this out of the way first: if we were really going to help Ukraine eject Russia from illegally-seized territory, we should've done it under Biden. Playing "oh, but we got along under Gorbachev" ignores the twin realities that Putin is very clearly not Gorbachev, and Putin's stated desire to restore former USSR territories. Because the Cold War is in my living memory, placating Putin seems like an incredibly bad idea, and Biden bears significant blame for not helping Ukraine through UN accession and giving them the means to strike Russian territory after Russia invaded.

But Trump changes position like most people change their underwear--and these vacillations seem to be based entirely around whether Putin is currently "being nice" to him or not. When Putin ignores Trump, Trump responds with bravado and bluster; when Putin salves Trump's evident insecurities with being seen as a "strong" man, Trump not only warms to Putin's positions, but openly parrots his talking points vis a vis Ukraine.

So we 100% missed an opportunity to shut this problem down under Biden, and are now dealing with a President who conducts foreign policy like a high school kid selecting between options for a prom date--and in both cases, it is Ukraine paying the price for our overall fecklessness.
This is pretty much the case. Trump fancies himself as a dealmaker by continuously moving the goalposts, but what he is accomplishing is something quite different. Leaders have learned to agree to his terms only to buy time to make alternate plans. Foreign policy, trade, everything, In this way, other leaders are able to avoid the worst effects of blackmail. It doesn't appear Trump is aware that nobody trusts him, which makes it easier for others to carry out the above.
Ever heard the saying, "If he had brains he'd be dangerous"?
Originally posted by Corvus XIII:
Originally posted by Immortalis:

Aside from this being a ridiculous claim based on nothing more than the usual "Putin is a monster" screaming, that's exactly why Putin isn't going to get that.

It is not a ridiculous claim, have you even read Putin's Essay?

Did you?

Russia is open to dialogue with Ukraine and ready to discuss the most complex issues. But it is important for us to understand that our partner is defending its national interests but not serving someone else's, and is not a tool in someone else's hands to fight against us.

We respect the Ukrainian language and traditions. We respect Ukrainians' desire to see their country free, safe and prosperous.

I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia. Our spiritual, human and civilizational ties formed for centuries and have their origins in the same sources, they have been hardened by common trials, achievements and victories. Our kinship has been transmitted from generation to generation. It is in the hearts and the memory of people living in modern Russia and Ukraine, in the blood ties that unite millions of our families. Together we have always been and will be many times stronger and more successful. For we are one people.

Today, these words may be perceived by some people with hostility. They can be interpreted in many possible ways. Yet, many people will hear me. And I will say one thing – Russia has never been and will never be ”anti-Ukraine“. And what Ukraine will be – it is up to its citizens to decide.

Putin himself wrote these words in the article he penned "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians" back in 2021.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

Outside of the feigned outrage and the disingenous claims that the article in question set the groundwork for the destruction of Ukraine as a people, a country and an identity, of does that work with the "we respect the Ukrainian language and traditions. We respect Ukrainians' desire to see their country free, safe and prosperous"?
Originally posted by Immortalis:
Originally posted by Corvus XIII:

It is not a ridiculous claim, have you even read Putin's Essay?

Did you?

Russia is open to dialogue with Ukraine and ready to discuss the most complex issues. But it is important for us to understand that our partner is defending its national interests but not serving someone else's, and is not a tool in someone else's hands to fight against us.

We respect the Ukrainian language and traditions. We respect Ukrainians' desire to see their country free, safe and prosperous.

I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia. Our spiritual, human and civilizational ties formed for centuries and have their origins in the same sources, they have been hardened by common trials, achievements and victories. Our kinship has been transmitted from generation to generation. It is in the hearts and the memory of people living in modern Russia and Ukraine, in the blood ties that unite millions of our families. Together we have always been and will be many times stronger and more successful. For we are one people.

Today, these words may be perceived by some people with hostility. They can be interpreted in many possible ways. Yet, many people will hear me. And I will say one thing – Russia has never been and will never be ”anti-Ukraine“. And what Ukraine will be – it is up to its citizens to decide.

Putin himself wrote these words in the article he penned "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians" back in 2021.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

Outside of the feigned outrage and the disingenous claims that the article in question set the groundwork for the destruction of Ukraine as a people, a country and an identity, of does that work with the "we respect the Ukrainian language and traditions. We respect Ukrainians' desire to see their country free, safe and prosperous"?

And so he invades it and butchers its people and targets its civilians.

-and replaces books that are Ukrainian with Russian and kidnaps its children.
You just ignore everything that he has done.
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Originally posted by Corvus XIII:
Originally posted by Immortalis:

Did you?



Putin himself wrote these words in the article he penned "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians" back in 2021.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

Outside of the feigned outrage and the disingenous claims that the article in question set the groundwork for the destruction of Ukraine as a people, a country and an identity, of does that work with the "we respect the Ukrainian language and traditions. We respect Ukrainians' desire to see their country free, safe and prosperous"?

And so he invades it and butchers its people and targets its civilians.

-and replaces books that are Ukrainian with Russian and kidnaps its children.
You just ignore everything that he has done.

You are the one claiming that Putin outlined how he wanted to destroy Ukraine as a people, a country and an identity in his essay.

I am merely proving you wrong by quoting direcltly from that same essay where Putin himself said quite the opposite.
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