Originally posted by Alice Liddell:

Originally posted by allegedly:

it seems kind of evil to just take money from regular people
but some people think it's ok even if it has to be done by force
why? what am I not seeing?

Most governments give this money back if you are poor or below the taxation requirement to pay a percentage but most people get money back either way, although the poor get 100% back plus $1,200 here.

Thieves do not give money back unlike taxes the government takes, although retail sales tax, VAT, and food preparation tax seems more akin to thievery than income taxation but the money usually goes back into the economy.

Thieves will put the money back into the economy either for their own greed or to poison their communities and those around them but now we are getting awfully close to Prohibition and Liquor sales which is used to control people much like low wages and taxations.

When a government takes civilian weapons such as firearms, they have literally full control over that population because now those civilians cannot fight back which was one trigger of the American Revolutionary War.

You look at the countries that took civilians firearms away and you will see the authoritarianism.

Originally posted by Alice Liddell:

Originally posted by allegedly:

it seems kind of evil to just take money from regular people
but some people think it's ok even if it has to be done by force
why? what am I not seeing?

Most governments give this money back if you are poor or below the taxation requirement to pay a percentage but most people get money back either way, although the poor get 100% back plus $1,200 here.

Thieves do not give money back unlike taxes the government takes, although retail sales tax, VAT, and food preparation tax seems more akin to thievery than income taxation but the money usually goes back into the economy.

Thieves will put the money back into the economy either for their own greed or to poison their communities and those around them but now we are getting awfully close to Prohibition and Liquor sales which is used to control people much like low wages and taxations.

When a government takes civilian weapons such as firearms, they have literally full control over that population because now those civilians cannot fight back.

Originally posted by allegedly:

if someone takes money from you by force, is it called tax?

Originally posted by Devious:

Well, you wouldn't be able to make much money without a government.

Originally posted by MinionJoe:

Originally posted by allegedly:

if someone takes money from you by force, is it called tax?

Yes. And Trump promised to lower taxes, which is why federal agents in DC putting an end to strong-arm taxation on the streets.

Originally posted by allegedly:

Originally posted by MinionJoe:

Yes. And Trump promised to lower taxes, which is why federal agents in DC putting an end to strong-arm taxation on the streets.

so he promised his administration is going to steal a little less from the people than the previous administration
wonderful

Originally posted by allegedly:

if the govt takes money from you even though you don't want to give it to them, there's chunk of society who think this is ok
if some random person on the street or a group also takes money from you even though you don't want to give it to them then the same people might say they are thieves or a mob.
aren't they just taxing you?

when did large part of the population started to think it's ok for the kingdom, govt or whatever the ruling class name is to take money from the regular people?

Originally posted by Xero_Daxter:

Because taxes are used for the stuff everyone (even me) needs. Everyone needs roads, infrastructure, police, and firefighters. Is there sometimes corruption? Yeah.

Originally posted by allegedly:

Originally posted by Devious:

Well, you wouldn't be able to make much money without a government.

you mean governments and thieves need to take money from regular people to exist?
I think people will still want to trade each other with or without a government or without someone taking money from them by force though

Originally posted by allegedly:

Originally posted by Xero_Daxter:

Because taxes are used for the stuff everyone (even me) needs. Everyone needs roads, infrastructure, police, and firefighters. Is there sometimes corruption? Yeah.

I've seen plenty of roads built not exactly by the government
I get it, some people think nothing will ever exist without the government being involved

Originally posted by Devious:

Originally posted by allegedly:

you mean governments and thieves need to take money from regular people to exist?
I think people will still want to trade each other with or without a government or without someone taking money from them by force though

Of course they'll want to trade, but the infrastructure (physical, legal and otherwise) required for modern economies is completely impossible to maintain without public institutions. These institutions need to be accountable to all, so they need to be paid for by all.