You'll never be british

Good grief. How many of these troll threads are you going to start this week?

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

Good grief. How many of these troll threads are you going to start this week?

Depends how many points they need.

Originally posted by eram:

You'll never be british

The British once ruled two thirds of the world and now they don't even own the infrastructure.

In London, the proportion of people born in the UK is around 63%

London is the international airport of Europe.

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

Good grief. How many of these troll threads are you going to start this week?

You underestimate the dangers of privatisation, your country will experience the same decline as the UK.

A managed decline where your infrastructure is slowly sold off over decades while the bankers cash the cheques.

Conservative neoliberal late-stage capitalism is what led the UK to where it is now.

Yep, U.S. is cooked according to top economist Richard Wolff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUKVMsd7Rgk&t=27s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUb0-fjML2U&t=844s

Originally posted by Pocahawtness:

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

Good grief. How many of these troll threads are you going to start this week?

Depends how many points they need.

Being a socialist and advocating for equality doesn’t earn you any points? In fact, most revolutionary socialists faced severe persecution except in situations where the balance of power shifted dramatically, such as revolutions.

Originally posted by Arvaos:

Originally posted by eram:

You'll never be british

The British once ruled two thirds of the world and now they don't even own the infrastructure.

Wiki

The British Empire comprised the dominions, colonies, protectorates, mandates, and other territories ruled or administered by the United Kingdom and its predecessor states.
It began with the overseas possessions and trading posts established by England in the late 16th and early 17th centuries, and colonisation attempts by Scotland during the 17th century.[1] At its height in the 19th and early 20th centuries, it became the largest empire in history and, for a century, was the foremost global power.[2]
By 1913, the British Empire held sway over 412 million people, 23 percent of the world population at the time,[3] and by 1920, it covered 35.5 million km2 (13.7 million sq mi),[4] 24 per cent of the Earth's total land area.
As a result, its constitutional, legal, linguistic, and cultural legacy is widespread. At the peak of its power, it was described as "the empire on which the sun never sets", as the sun was always shining on at least one of its territories.

Empire definition in a dictionary over 100 years old :

To Trade under the Protection of The Flag.

Originally posted by Arvaos:

Originally posted by eram:

You'll never be british

The British once ruled two thirds of the world and now they don't even own the infrastructure.

In London, the proportion of people born in the UK is around 63%

London is the international airport of Europe.

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

Good grief. How many of these troll threads are you going to start this week?

You underestimate the dangers of privatisation, your country will experience the same decline as the UK.

A managed decline where your infrastructure is slowly sold off over decades while the bankers cash the cheques.

Conservative neoliberal late-stage capitalism is what led the UK to where it is now.

You don't even own Gibraltar

Originally posted by Corvus XIII:

Originally posted by Arvaos:

The British once ruled two thirds of the world and now they don't even own the infrastructure.

Wiki

The British Empire comprised the dominions, colonies, protectorates, mandates, and other territories ruled or administered by the United Kingdom and its predecessor states.
It began with the overseas possessions and trading posts established by England in the late 16th and early 17th centuries, and colonisation attempts by Scotland during the 17th century.[1] At its height in the 19th and early 20th centuries, it became the largest empire in history and, for a century, was the foremost global power.[2]
By 1913, the British Empire held sway over 412 million people, 23 percent of the world population at the time,[3] and by 1920, it covered 35.5 million km2 (13.7 million sq mi),[4] 24 per cent of the Earth's total land area.
As a result, its constitutional, legal, linguistic, and cultural legacy is widespread. At the peak of its power, it was described as "the empire on which the sun never sets", as the sun was always shining on at least one of its territories.

Empire definition in a dictionary over 100 years old :

To Trade under the Protection of The Flag.

The UK had soft and hard power in spades.

Much of that which has collapsed globally.

The UK holds onto the few strands of former prestige that it once had.

Originally posted by Arvaos:

Originally posted by Corvus XIII:

Wiki

Empire definition in a dictionary over 100 years old :

To Trade under the Protection of The Flag.

The UK had soft and hard power in spades.

Much of that which has collapsed globally.

The UK holds onto the few strands of former prestige that it once had.

Nobody cares what it 'holds onto' because it is all voluntary for past many decades.

Only weird people who think Imperialism is a good idea for their own egos like to say how 'bad Britain' is doing now that it does not have Empire and that mainly comes from people who are not British in the first place.

Personally I am glad I am not expected to sign up and become a red coat to protect a trade route a local authority in another part of the world does not have the funds or personnel to protect from pirates.

Originally posted by Corvus XIII:

Originally posted by Arvaos:

The UK had soft and hard power in spades.

Much of that which has collapsed globally.

The UK holds onto the few strands of former prestige that it once had.

Nobody cares what it 'holds onto' because it is all voluntary for past many decades.

Only weird people who think Imperialism is a good idea for their own egos like to say how 'bad Britain' is doing now that it does not have Empire and that mainly comes from people who are not British in the first place.

Personally I am glad I am not expected to sign up and become a red coat to protect a trade route a local authority in another part of the world does not have the funds or personnel to protect from pirates.

The Empire colonised Hong Kong and now Hong Kong owns parts of the crucial infrastructure in the UK.

Data from the Office for National Statistics, external suggests total Chinese investment in the UK in 2023 amounted to about £4.3bn, a small fraction of the total £2 trillion of overseas investment in the British economy in that year.

Independent estimates from the American Enterprise Institute think tank, external, using corporate reports, suggest total public and private Chinese investment in the UK between 2005 and 2024 added up to $105bn, or £82bn.

This would have made Britain the third largest national destination of Chinese investment over this period, after only the US and Australia.

Significant Chinese investments in UK infrastructure include a 10% stake in London's Heathrow airport, external by the China Investment Corporation, a sovereign wealth fund wholly owned by the Chinese state.

The Hong Kong-based industrialist Li Ka-shing's investment group owns UK Power Networks, external, which operates electricity distribution infrastructure across London, the South East of England and the East of England.

Originally posted by Arvaos:

Originally posted by Corvus XIII:

Nobody cares what it 'holds onto' because it is all voluntary for past many decades.

Only weird people who think Imperialism is a good idea for their own egos like to say how 'bad Britain' is doing now that it does not have Empire and that mainly comes from people who are not British in the first place.

Personally I am glad I am not expected to sign up and become a red coat to protect a trade route a local authority in another part of the world does not have the funds or personnel to protect from pirates.

The Empire colonised Hong Kong and now Hong Kong owns parts of the crucial infrastructure in the UK.

Data from the Office for National Statistics, external suggests total Chinese investment in the UK in 2023 amounted to about £4.3bn, a small fraction of the total £2 trillion of overseas investment in the British economy in that year.

Independent estimates from the American Enterprise Institute think tank, external, using corporate reports, suggest total public and private Chinese investment in the UK between 2005 and 2024 added up to $105bn, or £82bn.

This would have made Britain the third largest national destination of Chinese investment over this period, after only the US and Australia.

Significant Chinese investments in UK infrastructure include a 10% stake in London's Heathrow airport, external by the China Investment Corporation, a sovereign wealth fund wholly owned by the Chinese state.

The Hong Kong-based industrialist Li Ka-shing's investment group owns UK Power Networks, external, which operates electricity distribution infrastructure across London, the South East of England and the East of England.

So what, you want Empire go and build one. I read absolutely nothing of that.

Originally posted by Arvaos:

Railways, water utilities, and parts of the energy sector privatized in the 1980s–1990s. Result: some of the highest rail fares in Europe, rising water bills, and energy costs that remain high.

Under President Donald Trump's second term, there is a strong push to privatize various aspects of U.S. infrastructure, including research and development (R&D). This initiative is part of a broader strategy to reduce federal involvement and encourage private sector investment.

Be careful what you wish for, this is the ideology of late stage neoliberal capitalism and you guys will be paying the highest rates in the world to use your own infrastructure.

I think you are quite right that there are core services and infrastructure that should not be privatised. Power, transport, water, waste.

Everyone pays for these services no matter how they are funded, but as the UK found out, having them privately owned is a very bad idea, especially when the ownership is foreign. The investors don't care about the quality of service and they evade large scale investments and improvements. This is something that can't really be regulated, and remains a problem in the UK.

Originally posted by Corvus XIII:

Originally posted by Arvaos:

The Empire colonised Hong Kong and now Hong Kong owns parts of the crucial infrastructure in the UK.

Data from the Office for National Statistics, external suggests total Chinese investment in the UK in 2023 amounted to about £4.3bn, a small fraction of the total £2 trillion of overseas investment in the British economy in that year.

Independent estimates from the American Enterprise Institute think tank, external, using corporate reports, suggest total public and private Chinese investment in the UK between 2005 and 2024 added up to $105bn, or £82bn.

This would have made Britain the third largest national destination of Chinese investment over this period, after only the US and Australia.

Significant Chinese investments in UK infrastructure include a 10% stake in London's Heathrow airport, external by the China Investment Corporation, a sovereign wealth fund wholly owned by the Chinese state.

The Hong Kong-based industrialist Li Ka-shing's investment group owns UK Power Networks, external, which operates electricity distribution infrastructure across London, the South East of England and the East of England.

So what, you want Empire go and build one. I read absolutely nothing of that.

I'm not advocating for Empire, I'm advocating for nationalisation.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/nationalise-water-england-wales-labour-pollution-privatisation-higher-bills/

Originally posted by Pocahawtness:

Originally posted by Arvaos:

Railways, water utilities, and parts of the energy sector privatized in the 1980s–1990s. Result: some of the highest rail fares in Europe, rising water bills, and energy costs that remain high.

Under President Donald Trump's second term, there is a strong push to privatize various aspects of U.S. infrastructure, including research and development (R&D). This initiative is part of a broader strategy to reduce federal involvement and encourage private sector investment.

Be careful what you wish for, this is the ideology of late stage neoliberal capitalism and you guys will be paying the highest rates in the world to use your own infrastructure.

I think you are quite right that there are core services and infrastructure that should not be privatised. Power, transport, water, waste.

Everyone pays for these services no matter how they are funded, but as the UK found out, having them privately owned is a very bad idea, especially when the ownership is foreign. The investors don't care about the quality of service and they evade large scale investments and improvements. This is something that can't really be regulated, and remains a problem in the UK.

The UK is now reversing course under the new Labour government and they will achieve the nationalisation of the railways while they are in power.

If populism and anti-immigration sentiment wins Reform the next election, expect bills for crucial utilities to go up even higher.

R rock get ya own rock