Originally posted by HeavyGoat:

Why isn't this being called out as literally being what shapes the idea of Orwell's 1984? Big brother is watching you. Yeah, this is effectively mass surveillance. What do you all think?

Relevant links:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2025-003250_EN.html
http://edri.org/our-work/chat-control-what-is-actually-going-on
http://fightchatcontrol.eu

Well i thought the USA govt would've gone full Chinese govt social credit score system 1st . But seems like the EU is rushing to do it first ?

I've seen a few threads about it. Looks like Germany and Poland and a few others have rejected it last I checked.

I think that with all that said chat control probably won't come into effect due to that. It's still good to stay aware though

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Originally posted by HeavyGoat:

Why isn't this being called out as literally being what shapes the idea of Orwell's 1984?

Because people been conditioned to not think. The TV tell them it's to "protect the children", and if the TV said it, then it must be true.

But hey, at least we don't have to speak German so the democracy still hold right?

So who exactly in the EU is for it?

Anime avatars fault for entire steam forum gonna be label CSAM. But don't forget that I don't give a damn what people think of me. Especially when it comes to governments who let people be harmed and make security breaches who ends peoples lives.

That's why these laws are bad. Not because of the law itself but hacking governments is happening every weekend so it's going to be your landlord who going to use this info and as it turns out usa is mad and has decided to camp half the population on the street while the other half is having a long vacation in a prison being charged for visiting a site.

We all are flawed and don't deserve this society. Some see it as freedom, we just move to different sectors of the prison.

Originally posted by Beltneck:

1984 didn't have VPNs.

Also, the only outlets for dissent were state controlled. To round up all the naysayers. They're called 'honeypots', just well organized entrapment.

Even the state's boogeyman was one of the chairmen. Just put on a show to keep people riled up, and directing their anger at a fake enemy.

Sorry if thats a spoiler to anyone. But the book has been out for over 75 years; you should have read it or watched the movie by now.

VPN works as long you never spoken a word on internet.

Take example of reddit. If you make a comment you're no longer allowed. But if you never make a comment you're allowed to make a comment but if you do you weren't allowed.

And reddit has a prison inside the prison for those who paid for their freedom of speech.

Company Country: USA, the land of the free. Corporation with : Youtube, Steam, etc.

One may wonder why people pay to be imprisoned in their forum, cause reddit hides its data in the public and VPN isn't as safe as you think since VPN is owned and the company has your IP and know you try to hide.

You're sold the idea = Servitude is freedom, subscribe on your VPN. We're watching. As soon money is involved there is now law.

How do we know this : True Lies. Open media used to reveal it to the public but nobody believes it.

Originally posted by Uncle Sam:

Well i thought the USA govt would've gone full Chinese govt social credit score system 1st . But seems like the EU is rushing to do it first :lunar2020thinkingtiger:?

We came awful close.

https://www.newsweek.com/bidens-ministry-truth-un-american-abuse-power-mccarthy-1705756

what if i WANT big brother to watch me? i could use the company. tell the government agents what i did this morning or what i saw on the telly last evening.

Start up VPN company, sell info straight to the door.

Originally posted by salamander:

what if i WANT big brother to watch me? i could use the company. tell the government agents what i did this morning or what i saw on the telly last evening.

Your media access is limited. Your bank won't accept any loans, your options are limited. As in when you make financial decisions like buying tesla only to watch it fall.

It fell because usa government blackmailed Elon Musk and wanted the market to drop.

Elon Musk never promised to buy twitter and was refused by their employed who said no we don't want to be sold out.

People being "honeypot" where them belong, hired quickly by the government to lock their future.

Originally posted by HeavyGoat:

EU's Chat Control
Why isn't this being called out as literally being what shapes the idea of Orwell's 1984? Big brother is watching you. Yeah, this is effectively mass surveillance. What do you all think?

As the citizen of an EU memberstate, I advise everyone who doesn't see it as a privilige but a burden to live in the EU, to migrate - preferably to Russia or the USA.

sending the cops to people's house to arrest them for wrong-speak seems close enough to "ministry of truth" to me.
And it's not like people aren't being censored online for the same ♥♥♥♥.

Democrats just handed off the baton. Republicans are like "my precious baton! Who can we beat with this?"

There should be laws against making laws all the time. People who try to do stuff like this are the dangerous people who need to be jailed.

Originally posted by TheStoryteller01:

As the citizen of an EU memberstate, I advise everyone who doesn't see it as a privilige but a burden to live in the EU, to migrate - preferably to Russia or the USA.

Why would you move to russia to escape surveillance?? That would not be my first choice.

Or the US.