Disclaimer: I run MacOS as main OS.
I like it. It is stable. It looks good. It is blazingly fast & powerful.

I *know* its not perfect, privacy-wise or user-liberty-wise. Yet, it is a huuuuge improvement over broken Widows.

I also run GNU/Linux, and I do not need to be proselityzed.

Windows has its uses.
Ease of just getting things to work on it from systems over 25 years old. A quick AI check if a game won't run and its fixed.

Linux may eventually be the dominant choice for the home use OS but it would need to imitate windows and be readily available as windows.

That means being offered in Stores 'would you like windows 14 or would like Linux Mint?' - which leads to the next issue - the 'average' person would need to know what an OS is. And there are people who cannot even work their own cable box still.

Then the whole subject of 'but which Linux do i want!?!' is a minefield.

The Mac is great but some people again find it overwhelming if they been using Windows or an ancient apple then get handed a behemoth of a machine.

love this post. but you're missing something. windows is NOT for the developer, but for the consumer. almost everything else runs on either raw code or under linux.

you asked "should we even be running windows?" well, WE are the consumer, and the other 90% or so of the marketshare that does use windows thinks we should. it's also the most user-friendly. and most convenient. aswell as easiest to use and understand. but ultimately, it's up to you. people have opinions after all and each OS has their personal best usecase scenarios and things they excel at.

if i were to say that linux is user friendly, i would be lying out my ass. it's not friendly to use for someone that, for example, used windows all their life, has no coding or relatively advanced computer science knowledge. it's a pain. and people don't wanna deal with that. hence why windows and macos have marginally bigger market shares and user numbers.

also if you were to say that apple doesn't sell user data aswell, you'd be lying. fyi your phone does that too. ANY android version sells user data as long as you are connected to the internet, so does IOS. your "data" these days unfortunately is not protected at all in any form and unless you have complete control over the software and hardware you use (that is to say you made it yourself) your data is being sold.

Nothing kept stable as a user and with a desktop stays on Linux.

Originally posted by Corvus T-XIII:

Windows has its uses.
Ease of just getting things to work on it from systems over 25 years old. A quick AI check if a game won't run and its fixed.

Linux may eventually be the dominant choice for the home use OS but it would need to imitate windows and be readily available as windows.

That means being offered in Stores 'would you like windows 14 or would like Linux Mint?' - which leads to the next issue - the 'average' person would need to know what an OS is. And there are people who cannot even work their own cable box still.

Then the whole subject of 'but which Linux do i want!?!' is a minefield.

The Mac is great but some people again find it overwhelming if they been using Windows or an ancient apple then get handed a behemoth of a machine.

linux is even easier and better compadebility

Depends on your version of Windows... I'm quite pleased with my Windows 11 installation all things considered.

Originally posted by lailaamell:

Originally posted by Corvus T-XIII:

Windows has its uses.
Ease of just getting things to work on it from systems over 25 years old. A quick AI check if a game won't run and its fixed.

Linux may eventually be the dominant choice for the home use OS but it would need to imitate windows and be readily available as windows.

That means being offered in Stores 'would you like windows 14 or would like Linux Mint?' - which leads to the next issue - the 'average' person would need to know what an OS is. And there are people who cannot even work their own cable box still.

Then the whole subject of 'but which Linux do i want!?!' is a minefield.

The Mac is great but some people again find it overwhelming if they been using Windows or an ancient apple then get handed a behemoth of a machine.

linux is even easier and better compadebility

to you? yeah. to the average person? no. we're talking in general cases here.

Originally posted by Moacir Santos:

Disclaimer: I run MacOS as main OS..

Lmfao

Originally posted by noms:

love this post. but you're missing something. windows is NOT for the developer, but for the consumer. almost everything else runs on either raw code or under linux.

Linux is a kernel. It runs under the Android stack, powering most personal smart devices in the entire world.

You are repeating a tired, old, repetitive common mistake.

"Linux" is for the developer because its a kernel. Just like "NT" is for the Microsoft developer to worry about.

However, systems (stacks) built on Linux are for everyone.

Example: the Steam Deck is awesome, and not targeted exclusively to developers.

Computer manufacturers should just build PCs bundled with an optimal, house-tested, GNU/Linux distribution, just like Apple (and Nintendo, and consoles in general) does with BSD.

Windows is not for anyone, besides the greedy executives of an anticompetitive company.

Originally posted by Moacir Santos:

Originally posted by noms:

love this post. but you're missing something. windows is NOT for the developer, but for the consumer. almost everything else runs on either raw code or under linux.

Linux is a kernel. It runs under the Android stack, powering most personal smart devices in the entire world.

You are repeating a tired, old, repetitive common mistake.

"Linux" is for the developer because its a kernel. Just like "NT" is for the Microsoft developer to worry about.

However, systems (stacks) built on Linux are for everyone.

Example: the Steam Deck is awesome, and not targeted exclusively to developers.

Computer manufacturers should just build PCs bundled with an optimal, house-tested, GNU/Linux distribution, just like Apple (and Nintendo, and consoles in general) does with BSD.

Windows is not for anyone, besides the greedy executives of an anticompetitive company.

You are repeating a tired, old, repetitive Linux shill point.

90% of the issues with Windows 11 are solved by installing it under a local admin account.

Originally posted by Mendel:

Originally posted by Moacir Santos:

Linux is a kernel. It runs under the Android stack, powering most personal smart devices in the entire world.

You are repeating a tired, old, repetitive common mistake.

"Linux" is for the developer because its a kernel. Just like "NT" is for the Microsoft developer to worry about.

However, systems (stacks) built on Linux are for everyone.

Example: the Steam Deck is awesome, and not targeted exclusively to developers.

Computer manufacturers should just build PCs bundled with an optimal, house-tested, GNU/Linux distribution, just like Apple (and Nintendo, and consoles in general) does with BSD.

Windows is not for anyone, besides the greedy executives of an anticompetitive company.

You are repeating a tired, old, repetitive Linux shill point.

the thing is he's not even making a point. he missed the entire point i was trying to make.

I guess it depends on what counts as critical.

Lots of things do run on Windows. At my last job, there were plenty of Windows servers, for example. That was a life insurance company, so you could argue the company itself isn't critical in the sense that if operations completely halt for an hour or whatever, it's not going to be a major issue. But on the other hand, those servers were absolutely critical to the business.

Originally posted by Moacir Santos:

Windows is not for anyone, besides the greedy executives of an anticompetitive company.

Originally posted by Moacir Santos:

Disclaimer: I run MacOS as main OS.

Hahaha... why's it okay for apple to be 10x worse tho?

Originally posted by Beltneck:

Originally posted by Mendel:

You are repeating a tired, old, repetitive Linux shill point.

The thing about being a 'shill' is that you take money in exchange for trying to convince people of something that is likely bad for them. Linux is free, and available to everyone on practically any machine they could ever want to use.

So if anyone is being a 'shill' here its the ones pushing Windows. An OS that has become filled with literal spyware, to sell your information and target you for advertisers.

No, it's selling your time, the only currency you can never get back and is why many get away from Linux.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5kz7qdJ0rc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kO1bHWk48c



Notice the nuance "Desktop"

You guys are simping for things non-desktop to sound more legit, but are using desktop Linux. LOL