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Why traditional male and female relationship in anime get so avoided?
Because it has a target to make money from? I have been into animes since around decades ago yet can't find the answer why the relationship in there is rarely depicted as much as traditional like real life - the one that males have a control and be dominant over the female. It is always this passive guy gets women run over them. Or something very unrealistic actually.
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Are you not familiar with anime tropes?
Acetyl 29 Sep @ 10:40pm 
Social roles / predictor network programming. It's basically just classical conditioning.

Examples:
-Combine arousing stimuli with angry faces repeatedly
-Make the MC male a weak simp and have women act angry when interest is shown in them, repeatedly
-Have every woman be a master strategist who's already thought 10 moves in advance and is slowly luring you in like a black widow into the web.
-Yandere and tsundere nonsense
Some other tropes I'm forgetting about.
Originally posted by 【K A M I N A】:
Are you not familiar with anime tropes?
Nope. I just feel like they avoid men being verbally dominant over a female in relationship for some reason even if those animes were made by men too
Acetyl 29 Sep @ 10:47pm 
Originally posted by full of aura:
Originally posted by 【K A M I N A】:
Are you not familiar with anime tropes?
Nope. I just feel like they avoid men being verbally dominant over a female in relationship for some reason even if those animes were made by men too
It won't be enough until their birth rate is zero.
Originally posted by Acetyl:
Originally posted by full of aura:
Nope. I just feel like they avoid men being verbally dominant over a female in relationship for some reason even if those animes were made by men too
It won't be enough until their birth rate is zero.
the west is heading that way too
Acetyl 29 Sep @ 11:04pm 
Originally posted by full of aura:
Originally posted by Acetyl:
It won't be enough until their birth rate is zero.
the west is heading that way too
Of course.
Tonepoet 29 Sep @ 11:12pm 
There are likely many reasons, but a couple of them that come to mind is that oftentimes Japanese men are "herbivores" and also, the male protagonist in the Seinen demographic is often written to be "relatable", and the more a character diverges from yourself, the less relatable he becomes.

So all of those supernatural abilities and mystique often get embodied into the female character so the male character can be utterly mundane. And that comes with the caveat that because she has superstrength, and he doesn't, for example, the female companion can crush the male protagonist under her boot. Imagine trying to be Wonder Woman's Dom for a second. Moreover, it also needs to be considered that she usually has more personal experience with the situation at hand, and the guy is more or less an inductee for similar reasons.

It's also sometimes implied that the guy, being one of the good guys, restrains his baser instincts, and the woman's outbursts are largely misunderstandings that are defensive in nature.
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Acetyl 29 Sep @ 11:14pm 
Originally posted by Tonepoet:
There are likely many reasons, but a couple of them that come to mind is that oftentimes Japanese men are "herbivores" and also, the male protagonist in the Seinen demographic is often written to be "relatable", and the more a character diverges from yourself, the less relatable he becomes.

So all of those supernatural abilities and mystique often get embodied into the female character so the male character can be utterly mundane. And that comes with the caveat that because she has superstrength, and he doesn't, for example, the female companion can crush the male protagonist under her boot. Imagine trying to be Wonder Woman's Dom for a second.

It's also sometimes implied that the guy, being one of the good guys, restrains his baser instincts, and the woman's outbursts are largely misunderstandings that are defensive in nature.
The Japanese sun deity is female, and the moon is male. Either way, you're still describing early childhood behavioral modeling and social programming.
causality 29 Sep @ 11:24pm 
Right when it stopped being a cool nerd hobby with bootleg fansub/dubs in the 80s/90s and became mainstream slop to be consumed by people who still think fictional pieces of artwork need to align with their incorrect notions of reality.

Oh. OOOOOOH. :;strokes beard thoughtfully::
Originally posted by Acetyl:
Originally posted by Tonepoet:
The Japanese sun deity is female, and the moon is male. Either way, you're still describing early childhood behavioral modeling and social programming.


Originally posted by Tonepoet:
There are likely many reasons, but a couple of them that come to mind is that oftentimes Japanese men are "herbivores" and also, the male protagonist in the Seinen demographic is often written to be "relatable", and the more a character diverges from yourself, the less relatable he becomes.


So both of you say that it is because of the culture inside there expect men to be like that? so there is social pressure to keep it that way otherwise they will get cancelled?
Acetyl 29 Sep @ 11:36pm 
Originally posted by full of aura:
Originally posted by Acetyl:
The Japanese sun deity is female, and the moon is male. Either way, you're still describing early childhood behavioral modeling and social programming.


Originally posted by Tonepoet:
There are likely many reasons, but a couple of them that come to mind is that oftentimes Japanese men are "herbivores" and also, the male protagonist in the Seinen demographic is often written to be "relatable", and the more a character diverges from yourself, the less relatable he becomes.


So both of you say that it is because of the culture inside there expect men to be like that? so there is social pressure to keep it that way otherwise they will get cancelled?
Don't know. Someone more knowledgeable about Japan would have to weigh in. From the outside is looks like a variation of the same type of brainwashing we see in the west.
Originally posted by causality:
Right when it stopped being a cool nerd hobby with bootleg fansub/dubs in the 80s/90s and became mainstream slop to be consumed by people who still think fictional pieces of artwork need to align with their incorrect notions of reality.

Oh. OOOOOOH. :;strokes beard thoughtfully::
I don't think it started with the fact that many wanting to live on anime career. Animes back then aren't that different but the females often seen in more traditional way like housewife unlike the reverse we have seen today. I hardly see a couple argues in animes even though it is super common in real relationship
Last edited by full of aura; 29 Sep @ 11:37pm
Originally posted by Acetyl:
Originally posted by full of aura:





So both of you say that it is because of the culture inside there expect men to be like that? so there is social pressure to keep it that way otherwise they will get cancelled?
Don't know. Someone more knowledgeable about Japan would have to weigh in. From the outside is looks like a variation of the same type of brainwashing we see in the west.
oh yeah you just see how DC, Marvel and shounen gernes trained newer generation. I always feel like there is something different about them compared previous generation. More passive I think?
Originally posted by full of aura:
Because it has a target to make money from? I have been into animes since around decades ago yet can't find the answer why the relationship in there is rarely depicted as much as traditional like real life - the one that males have a control and be dominant over the female. It is always this passive guy gets women run over them. Or something very unrealistic actually.

straight up, soy
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