when you consume what is dead, you give it life
im helping the animals out here

All animals being killed makes problems in the ecosystem. The more imbalanced the worse.

Originally posted by Z i o ⚡:

All animals being killed makes problems in the ecosystem. The more imbalanced the worse.

that is true only for wild animals, not domesticated ones

vegan hated the hunters from ooga booga ages ago, but gazilion years ago vegan cant fight back , only now they can. it's grude from millenial ago.
they dont care about enverioment

I would imagine most vegans are fully aware that not everyone would become vegan overnight or in some short time span. The goal then would be to increase vegan numbers over time, while simultaneously reducing the animal population to coincide via reduced reproduction.

That at least would be along the lines of what I would think if I were vegan. A mass 'kill off' even if it meant less animal death in the future, wouldn't be in line with what I'd want. But then again I'm not vegan, so guess they can chime in on their own.

To be honest, I'm sympathetic towards veganism (though I'm not totally vegan myself). If we can minimize the amount of harm and suffering our existence creates, we should. We force others to do plenty of things for the greater good, that's civilization in a nutshell.

At the very least, we should have more robust animal welfare laws. What goes on in factory farms is uncautionable, either from an environmental, medical or ethical perspective.

By the way, I don't at all oppose hunting or traditional farming/ranching.

I have not found that veganism is forced upon anyone...It is simply a lifestyle...Some people do not like critters being used for their food...I find it understandable...

Eating a bacon cheeseburger should be a requirement to serve in public office

Simple, veganism never was a genuine ideology, it always was a way to sell artificial meat products. The meat market is very closed, to the point it's almost impossible for new companies to enter the market and be competitive.

Artificial meat have no added value compared to natural meat for the clients, so they have to create added value through another way : ideology. You don't buy artificial meat because it's better for your health or taste good, you buy it because you're a good person, caring for the environement and animals well-being. That's the narrative, a totally false one btw, but who cares, the goal always was to sell these products, nothing else.

The animals would still be killed to make food supplements that are required.

Way more animals die protecting a crop intended for human harvest, than animals we kill for harvest. Even when you factor in how much grass and grain byproducts we feed cattle, it's generally the waste of those products grown for making bread or for their corn, or food that isn't of a highest grade to feed to people.

So farming an acre of vegetables that is of a high enough grade to feed people requires killing dozens of birds, rabbits, deer, and potentially millions of insects. You're not saving lives by being vegan, you're destroying more.

Eat what you want. But this rhetoric where they pretend to have some kind of moral high ground or empathy is a misplaced delusion.

Veganism is based on one or more ignorant beliefs.
Ignorance # 1: "It's healthier for us." No it isn't. Meat is easily and fully digested by the human body, yielding no metabolic consequences unless in gross excess. Meat contains everything the body needs, and nothing it doesn't. Plants are the opposite of all of these. The body struggles to digest plants, with most of it going to the toilet. Plants lack many nutrients while instead containing toxins. Veganism is horrendous for your health. There is no such thing as a healthy or essential dietary carbohydrate. Simply put, human = carnivore.

Ignorance # 2: "It's better for animals." No it isn't. Veganism kills far more animals than carnivore. It's not even close to being a contest. Furthermore, vegans don't properly feed their pets either, despite claiming they're better for animals. When a carnivore has a pet cat/dog, they properly feed the animal meat. When a vegan has the same pet cat/dog, they improperly feed it carb. These animals are carnivores (even more so than humans).

Ignorance # 3: "It's better for the environment." No it isn't. Crop farmers are the ones destroying the environment. That's ground and atmosphere. They destroy everything to clear the land for plants. The plants suck the soil dry, turning it into useless dirt. They then spray gunk all over it that's bad for the atmosphere. Animal farmers don't have to do any of that. Animals can graze on rough terrain. Animals regenerate the soil. Animals don't require anything toxic sprayed upon them.

I say veganism should become the lifestyle for everyone... else.

So I can have all the dino nuggies for myself.