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how does a government tell poor people "we just have to send billions of dollars to support ukraine and israel" ?
how does a government explain spending billions on foreign wars is more important than helping their citizens?

if democracy is a thing, shouldn't the people be allowed to vote and decide if the government can spend all that money on wars?
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Idk. I don’t work for the government. I just live here.
So they can take more money away to launder and embezzle.
Democracy is when you prioritize foreigners both at home and abroad. What you're describing is called fascism, sir.
Democracy is not real here, is the answer.

In a democracy the public can, in fact, vote on issues in such a manner. And their votes have meaningful influence and are not merely symbolic.

In an illegitimate propaganda state, voters are instead given a predetermined multiple choice list of candidates who have no obligation whatsoever to represent their constituents, then they wave some flags and pop some fireworks and yell "democracy!"
Last edited by OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle; 26 Sep @ 7:26am
Originally posted by EASY PETE:
So they can take more money away to launder and embezzle.
there's a lot of money laundering during wars


Originally posted by radgenome:
Democracy is when you prioritize foreigners both at home and abroad. What you're describing is called fascism, sir.
fascism means prioritizing local population? who knows maybe you have a point, perhaps that's why in the past when people were struggling hard they voted for parties like that
Originally posted by OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle:
Democracy is not real here, is the answer.

In a democracy the public can, in fact, vote on issues in such a manner. And their votes have meaningful influence and are not merely symbolic.

In an illegitimate propaganda state, voters are instead given a predetermined multiple choice list of candidates who have no obligation whatsoever to represent their constituents, then they wave some flags and pop some fireworks and yell "democracy!"
You basically just described politics from it's inception, not just democracy.
Poor people arent entitled to free money. Ukraine is entitled to sovereignty.

You don't live in a true democracy. You live in a representative democracy at most. You elect the guy and he makes the decisions on where to send money. Be more careful who you elect and remember, these people will promise things just to get elected sometimes.
There's nothing wrong with foreign aid, if the whole point is to keep a country out of conflict.

And people aren't poor because of foreign aid. They're poor because of neoliberal economic policies, like giving corporations and oligarchs tax breaks, slashing social programs and allowing businesses to offshore and outsource.

They're also poor because of poor voting and other bad decisions that impact them directly. There are people out there who vote against worker protections, safety nets, breaking up monopolies because they think it's a slippery slope to Communism.
Last edited by atomicgirl; 26 Sep @ 7:49am
Because if war escalates, you might be the next target.
Originally posted by Сааребас:
Originally posted by OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle:
Democracy is not real here, is the answer.

In a democracy the public can, in fact, vote on issues in such a manner. And their votes have meaningful influence and are not merely symbolic.

In an illegitimate propaganda state, voters are instead given a predetermined multiple choice list of candidates who have no obligation whatsoever to represent their constituents, then they wave some flags and pop some fireworks and yell "democracy!"
You basically just described politics from it's inception, not just democracy.

That's true, you can plug in the name of any ideology at the end of all the flag waving and fireworks and then it describes most governance systems on the planet
Originally posted by atomicgirl:
There's nothing wrong with foreign aid, if the whole point is to keep a country out of conflict.

And people aren't poor because of foreign aid. They're poor because of neoliberal economic policies, like giving corporations and oligarchs tax breaks, slashing social programs and allowing businesses to offshore and outsource.

or giving money away to other countries in the same vein as corporations.
The US doesn't "give away" dolars to Ukr.
Most Governments inform the people through websites online. I CANT post them that would be advertising. Easy question to answer thanks for being curious.
Originally posted by atomicgirl:
There's nothing wrong with foreign aid, if the whole point is to keep a country out of conflict.

And people aren't poor because of foreign aid. They're poor because of neoliberal economic policies, like giving corporations and oligarchs tax breaks, slashing social programs and allowing businesses to offshore and outsource.

Neoliberal beliefs promote self-efficacy, self-esteem, and self-reliance.

What is this obsession with wanting to live on the government teet. It seems so counter-productive to the history of man kind as a whole.
Originally posted by -OrLoK- Слава Україн:
The US doesn't "give away" dolars to Ukr.
Since 2022, the U.S. has provided $30.2 billion in direct budget support to the Ukrainian government.
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