Originally posted by bluesky66621:

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

It is just air, so it really does not matter.
With that said.. I never understood why people can´t just call eachother by their names.

If you read historical context of the word, then you would know. As stated in few pages back, it was an act of defiance against straight people. Gender ideology movement picked a word to demean straight people and called them not "normal". Anyhow on every official documents, it listed as male or female.

Formal polite version of calling someone by name if you don't know the name of the person is Mister for male (Mr.), or Missus/miss for female (Mrs./miss).

If you don´t know a person, you can say "hi or hello" and politely ask their name.
If you are observing a person then you can assume (if its a mens football game, then it is pretty safe to say) "Number 10 is really good, I think he is the best" as it is a mens football game

If you don´t know and don´t want to assume anything, then they are perfectly fine... this is nothing new, nor is has it anything to do with "gender" ideology.

Remember, gender is not the same as sex..

Your sex = biological sex <-- (rooted in biology)
Your gender = what you physological feel like (it is rooted in physology)

In my opinion, you can´t assume others to greet you with a "gender" if they do not know you, but we should respect whatever people want to be, as long as they do not make special demands.

This lady thinks she is a cat (that is also rooted in pshycology) she is a female if we look at biology (not a cat) obviously

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLmwLcLikXQ

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

Originally posted by bluesky66621:

If you read historical context of the word, then you would know. As stated in few pages back, it was an act of defiance against straight people. Gender ideology movement picked a word to demean straight people and called them not "normal". Anyhow on every official documents, it listed as male or female.

Formal polite version of calling someone by name if you don't know the name of the person is Mister for male (Mr.), or Missus/miss for female (Mrs./miss).

If you don´t know a person, you can say "hi or hello" and politely ask their name.






This lady thinks she is a cat (that is also rooted in pshycology) she is a female if we look at biology (not a cat) obviously

Interesting, That works too. Or you can call the person "Sir/madam". I look the person by gender as it has always been that. No reason to change it. If the person is a male, it is a male, or if the person a female, it is a female. I personally don't play the "mental gymnastics" game.

In my location, it easy to know if the area is known to be gender ideology otherwise it easy to know rather a person is a male or female.

I don't need to be reminded of the difference as I don't subscribe to that theory. According to me both sex and gender is the same. As stated before, not interested into "mental gymnastics".

Originally posted by bluesky66621:

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

If you don´t know a person, you can say "hi or hello" and politely ask their name.






This lady thinks she is a cat (that is also rooted in pshycology) she is a female if we look at biology (not a cat) obviously

Interesting, That works too. Or you can call the person "Sir/madam". I look the person by gender as it has always been that. No reason to change it. If the person is a male, it is a male, or if the person a female, it is a female. I personally don't play the "mental gymnastics" game.

In my location, it easy to know if the area is known to be gender ideology otherwise it easy to know rather a person is a male or female.

I don't need to be reminded of the difference as I don't subscribe to that theory. According to me both sex and gender is the same. As stated before, not interested into "mental gymnastics".

So that means you have experience in LGBT.

Originally posted by bluesky66621:

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

If you don´t know a person, you can say "hi or hello" and politely ask their name.






This lady thinks she is a cat (that is also rooted in pshycology) she is a female if we look at biology (not a cat) obviously

Interesting, That works too. Or you can call the person "Sir/madam". I look the person by gender as it has always been that. No reason to change it. If the person is a male, it is a male, or if the person a female, it is a female. I personally don't play the "mental gymnastics" game.

In my location, it easy to know if the area is known to be gender ideology otherwise it easy to know rather a person is a male or female.

I don't need to be reminded of the difference as I don't subscribe to that theory. According to me both sex and gender is the same. As stated before, not interested into "mental gymnastics".

But they are not the same.
One of the main issues is that many languages (including my own) don´t have both definition, mine only have the biological one and thus "assumes" in the gender perspective.

It is hardcoded, as if nobody in society agree on what something is, then they can´t communicate.
Ie. if you tell me you want to buy a chair, but I think chair means rabbit, then we will never be able to come to agreement and might fight over "definions and the goods"

This is why our languages have structures and why we asign labels as we do. It is also why many does not make a huge debate, if someone said their favourite fruit is strawberry, we accept it.. (yes a few will go nuts with the seeds, pun intended) but the vast majority will identify and understand the meaning taken from it.

Crazy to think that there are some people who claim their pets are transgender.

I’m serious. It’s a thing.

I'm not sure what's going on with the discussion in this thread here, but the basics of it are kinda all trans women and men are women and men, but not all women and men are trans. the label cis helps as a differentiator for it.
there's much nuance to it, but for example, with like t4t lesbians. they're trans women who are interested in other women, but only ones who are also trans. the word cis here helps with their preferences.

also, actually, fun fact, the words 'cis' and 'trans' actually come from chemistry. 'cis' meaning "this side of", and trans meaning "the other side of" in Latin.
they neatly translate in terms of gender with how in chemistry, 'cis' indicates that functional groups are on the same side of a plane, and 'trans' means that they're on opposite sides.

Originally posted by TendolN:

And everyone else should just be "men" and "women" like in every single other culture

You should learn a lot more about 'every single other culture'. You're bound to a lot of surprises.

Originally posted by bluesky66621:

As stated in few pages back, it was an act of defiance against straight people.

And for the umpteenth time: 'Cis' has nothing to do with sexual orientation. There's truckloads of cisgender gays, lesbians and bisexuals just as there's straight cisgenders.

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

So that means you have experience in LGBT.

He's one of those who "can tell".

Originally posted by Xero_Daxter:

Crazy to think that there are some people who claim their pets are transgender.

Transgenderism in the animal kingdom is not that uncommon of an occurrence.

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by Xero_Daxter:

Crazy to think that there are some people who claim their pets are transgender.

Transgenderism in the animal kingdom is not that uncommon of an occurrence.

Yes but it’s the exception and not the norm. For example fishes can change their sex.

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

Originally posted by bluesky66621:

Interesting, That works too. Or you can call the person "Sir/madam". I look the person by gender as it has always been that. No reason to change it. If the person is a male, it is a male, or if the person a female, it is a female. I personally don't play the "mental gymnastics" game.

In my location, it easy to know if the area is known to be gender ideology otherwise it easy to know rather a person is a male or female.

I don't need to be reminded of the difference as I don't subscribe to that theory. According to me both sex and gender is the same. As stated before, not interested into "mental gymnastics".

Snip.

Hard pass, I am not interested into "mental gymnastics". Thank you.

Originally posted by Person (she/her):

I'm not sure what's going on with the discussion in this thread here, but the basics of it are kinda all trans women and men are women and men, but not all women and men are trans. the label cis helps as a differentiator for it.
there's much nuance to it, but for example, with like t4t lesbians. they're trans women who are interested in other women, but only ones who are also trans. the word here helps with their preferences.

Wrong, The N-word used to mean black person. However, now it is used as an offensive term. It is irrelevant if it was an original meaning. What is relevant is what people use today. It is an offensive term.

Originally posted by bluesky66621:

Wrong, The N-word used to mean black person

In a derogative manner.
It didn't 'turn' into an offensive term. It has been used that way since the slavery days.

i don't really care

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Elon Musk should grow up once and for all and get over his problems with his daughter transition.

that would be nice. all the money in the world, but still his children do not love him. its very sad, really.

At some point, you too left the ocean and transitioned from an aquatic to a land-based species. Your mind must have undergone a fundamental shift to comprehend this existence and even imagine coming out of the water. Other aquatic creatures may not have even been able to imagine being on land and simply remained in the ocean, unable to grasp the idea of ​​life on land. And you might never have left the water if you hadn't been given the freedom to change your mental conception of what you could be other than an aquatic form.

Existing on land is probably a lot more difficult than living in the ocean, but you were able to do it anyway.
But then again, I am an alien. What do I know about humans? There are also people who are air-planes. Some people might tell you that they are a male or female, and there are people who are witches and wizards, people who are Mormons and Jews. There are people who think they are Americans, and others may think they are Russians, Furries and UwU's. All is possible, and you have to respect it all. (And if you don't know what an UwU is, fear not, neither do I.)

Originally posted by bluesky66621:

Originally posted by Person (she/her):

I'm not sure what's going on with the discussion in this thread here, but the basics of it are kinda all trans women and men are women and men, but not all women and men are trans. the label cis helps as a differentiator for it.
there's much nuance to it, but for example, with like t4t lesbians. they're trans women who are interested in other women, but only ones who are also trans. the word here helps with their preferences.

Wrong, The N-word used to mean black person. However, now it is used as an offensive term. It is irrelevant if it was an original meaning. What is relevant is what people use today. It is an offensive term.

Words also get hijacked.
Spoon could be a slur, it all depens on context. But saying you eat a kiwi with a spoon, is perfectly fine. Despite there being 2 slurs if used in another context