reagan and teddy roosevelt were the most sigma presidents of the 20th century

Where Reagan went wrong (and in hindsight it ended up he did many things wrong) is his Amnesty policies brought migrants in illegally, not to escape tyranny, but for better jobs.

However, the jobs they were seeking and were getting, were good paying jobs that trade unions and others were doing. They were scabbed and losing their jobs in droves.

In addition, for those who watched "Roger And Me", Michael Moores first real hit film, circa 1983, during those years our auto companies out sourced to Canada and devastated Mid America given those trade policies.

In hindsight, Reagans policies failed, but where Trump went wrong, is instead of sending troops into cities, he should be sending law enforcement to lock up the very greedy business owners who hire them.

That would then end the influx of migration, without making our cities police states.

But Trump won't lock "them" up, being they have money.

In the end, both Reagans approach and that of Trump have failed, being there is no way we can deport 50 million people (so far with all his troops only deported 100k out of the 50 mil) and we're gonna have to start taking punitive approaches to businesses, rather than people.

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Where Reagan went wrong (and in hindsight it ended up he did many things wrong) is his Amnesty policies brought migrants in illegally, not to escape tyranny, but for better jobs.

However, the jobs they were seeking and were getting, were good paying jobs that trade unions and others were doing. They were scabbed and losing their jobs in droves.

In addition, for those who watched "Roger And Me", Michael Moores first real hit film, circa 1983, during those years our auto companies out sourced to Canada and devastated Mid America given those trade policies.

In hindsight, Reagans policies failed, but where Trump went wrong, is instead of sending troops into cities, he should be sending law enforcement to lock up the very greedy business owners who hire them.

That would then end the influx of migration, without making our cities police states.

But Trump won't lock "them" up, being they have money.

In the end, both Reagans approach and that of Trump have failed, being there is no way we can deport 50 million people (so far with all his troops only deported 100k out of the 50 mil) and we're gonna have to start taking punitive approaches to businesses, rather than people.

Reagan went wrong with the loophole of 'if the documents looked real' and not kicking the ass of the employers more.
But I get why he did that.

The Amnesty was a stroke of genius a pity there was not more of a coherent follow up of real ground breaking revolutionary type of cooperation between the USA and Mexico.

Why do I say the AMnesty was a good thing?
He said it loud and clear that is what he wanted, he wanted the grafters and he wanted them part of the USA.
Take the Salvador conflict good people were able to get out of that ♥♥♥♥ hole mess and benefit the USA.

Originally posted by Corvus XIII:

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Where Reagan went wrong (and in hindsight it ended up he did many things wrong) is his Amnesty policies brought migrants in illegally, not to escape tyranny, but for better jobs.

However, the jobs they were seeking and were getting, were good paying jobs that trade unions and others were doing. They were scabbed and losing their jobs in droves.

In addition, for those who watched "Roger And Me", Michael Moores first real hit film, circa 1983, during those years our auto companies out sourced to Canada and devastated Mid America given those trade policies.

In hindsight, Reagans policies failed, but where Trump went wrong, is instead of sending troops into cities, he should be sending law enforcement to lock up the very greedy business owners who hire them.

That would then end the influx of migration, without making our cities police states.

But Trump won't lock "them" up, being they have money.

In the end, both Reagans approach and that of Trump have failed, being there is no way we can deport 50 million people (so far with all his troops only deported 100k out of the 50 mil) and we're gonna have to start taking punitive approaches to businesses, rather than people.

Reagan went wrong with the loophole of 'if the documents looked real' and not kicking the ass of the employers more.
But I get why he did that.

The Amnesty was a stroke of genius a pity there was not more of a coherent follow up of real ground breaking revolutionary type of cooperation between the USA and Mexico.

Why do I say the AMnesty was a good thing?
He said it loud and clear that is what he wanted, he wanted the grafters and he wanted them part of the USA.
Take the Salvador conflict good people were able to get out of that ♥♥♥♥ hole mess and benefit the USA.

I understand, but like any president, you can only see the legacy of what they did many years later. And Reagans policies may have sounded coherent at the time, but ended up a disaster.

And again, if Trump went after business, large and small rather than looking for a needle in a stack of needles, he wouldn't be getting the backlash.

Its going to have to take a much more tough Democrat, that have the capacity with their bases to lock up wealthy people en masse, as to cure the issue. Which is something the Republicant Party, today and yesteryear cannot and would not do.

I think the anti wealthy fervor today, at home in both parties can open up discussion in how to better deal with the issue in the future.

Your solution to the immigration of the 1980s?

Originally posted by Corvus XIII:

Your solution to the immigration of the 1980s?

The solution to the migration issue in the 1980s is what it is today. Lock up the business owners who hire them.

And today unlike then, we have E Verify and other tools the government and business has to enforce the policies, and send the business owners to prison.

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Originally posted by Corvus XIII:

Your solution to the immigration of the 1980s?

The solution to the migration issue in the 1980s is what it is today. Lock up the business owners who hire them.

And today unlike then, we have E Verify and other tools the government and business has to enforce the policies, and send the business owners to prison.

Taking the 1980s and I suppose now too but its different....
You would rather they became gang members ?

Originally posted by Corvus XIII:

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

The solution to the migration issue in the 1980s is what it is today. Lock up the business owners who hire them.

And today unlike then, we have E Verify and other tools the government and business has to enforce the policies, and send the business owners to prison.

Taking the 1980s and I suppose now too but its different....
You would rather they became gang members ?

I'd rather their parents don't come here to take jobs away from Americans, today, like then.

If there are no jobs, they will not come, and their kids will not become gang members.

My people, the Italian Peoples came thru Ellis Island legally. And with that legal migration, the Mafia was created here.

And so, one can say if you're going to give Amnesty to Illegal Immigrants, that would cause as many problems and then some.

There was a mini-serie made of an event that happened here in Sweden, in 1981 a Soviet submarine beached on our land. It became a whole mess where both the USA and USSR got very angry at each other.

Sweden was like a child hearing their divorsing parents argue over everything.

It was a really funny mini-serie, and I loved how they pictured Reagan. Sadly, it's in Swedish most of the time, or rather, Swedish when Swedes talk which is the focus, but the Soviet people talk Russian and the American people speak Ameri—I mean—English. Though, those languages have Swedish subtitles.

It was made free to watch here in Sweden as it was made by SVT, but I don't know if there is a translation for people who do not know Swedish. (For example, English subtitles.)

The name of the mini-serie is "Whiskey on the Rocks." And the wikipedia for the event is named the same.

Now, why did I say all this in a topic not about movies? Well, this thread was about Reagan and I wanted to show people who probably aren't interested to know what I know of Reagan. :P

(I also wanted to lighten the mood here if possible! Also, to show how little one person not in the USA knows of the USA.)

Sorry for this tangent post!