Is It Okay for a Christian to Identify as an orientation?

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Alamort 27 Oct @ 9:27pm

So I found this video about same sex attraction from a user that I am subbed to and was informed of this video on my homepage, just putting that out there, though I think this could also be applied to other topics as well that deal with similar sins. I know this topic was issued a couple times here but I never tackled it myself as a believer in Christ nor do I have my say in it ready. I personally seen it and deemed it worthy enough to be shared regarding this specific topic, but I still don't possess any strong sentiments to the topic. As always do discuss and see the video if it concerns you, we are here to learn after all. One under Christ.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV)
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

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Originally posted by xAlphaStarOmegax:

Originally posted by Alamort:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV)
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Take a look at the next verse... 1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

What saves a person? Is it faith or works?

Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is by faith and not by works, then Whom must we place our faith in?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,(speaking about Jesus) that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Must we do anything to stay saved?

Ephesians 1:13-14
13 In whom ye also trusted (speaking of Jesus), after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

In conclusion, all of this is not to say that living in sin is totally okay or anything like that because the Bible says that God will chasten His children, and it also says that the Holy Spirit will convict us when we do wrong, but, with that being said, we are not saved by or even kept saved by our works. We avoid living in sin because we love Christ, and if we love Him, we will follow His commandments, whatever they may be.

We are a triune being: body, mind (soul), and spirit. When we accept Christ, only our spirit is saved; as for our mind, we must renew it by getting into His word, and as for the flesh, unfortunately that is not saved; it is corrupted. One day we will get our new incorruptible bodies. Paul talks about the war between the flesh and the spirit within us. Even he admits that he is the chiefest of all sinners and that the good he wanted to do he found it hard to do, and the bad he did not want to do, he did. Are we any better than Paul? At the end of the day we are all wicked sinners deserving of hell, but thankfully we don't have to go there, as the gift of salvation is free for us. Jesus paid the penalty; all we must do is accept Him. No amount of good we could ever do could pay that penalty; it took a God in the flesh to be the propitiation.

Once truly saved, always saved. The very moment we accept Christ, we get a permanent seal from the Holy Spirit.

I hope that clears things up for ya.

Edit: Let me go a step further and say this: our, the Christian, identity should be found in Christ and nothing else.

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salamander 27 Oct @ 9:30pm

if your child told you they thought they were gay, would you stop loving them? would you accept them for who they are? if you did not, they may never forgive you. are you willing to lose your childs love over such a thing?

76561197970535087 27 Oct @ 9:32pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwtdhWltSIg

Corvus XIII 27 Oct @ 9:41pm

These kind of things were written when it was so far removed from today it may as well by Conan the Barbarian Age.

They had to have a strong clear message that was simple to spread to lots of people.
The drawback to LGBT is it may not promote people reproducing their own genetics.
That is a long line of survivors that may not be carried on to the next generation.

Jesus was all about acceptance of people and trying to fix some of the damage done by the harsh reality of the times present and future.

Humanity has a purpose that is beyond our current comprehension our DNA is made with so much information stored of our history and to be made into our future from our experiences as we live generation upon generation it adapts and makes us more suited to the challenges we may face.

Alamort 27 Oct @ 9:48pm

Originally posted by salamander:
if your child told you they thought they were gay, would you stop loving them? would you accept them for who they are? if you did not, they may never forgive you. are you willing to lose your childs love over such a thing?

Well no but the video placed an emphasis on love and understanding.

Originally posted by パエトーン (Belle):
Just join a Christian denomination that supports LGBT.

That however wouldn't be love but harbor fear and uncertainty within its own house of which there is none to be found in God.

SympliKrazi 27 Oct @ 10:34pm

Originally posted by salamander:
if your child told you they thought they were gay, would you stop loving them? would you accept them for who they are? if you did not, they may never forgive you. are you willing to lose your childs love over such a thing?

Now do the same thing but with other things like, if your child told you they like to torture people for fun, or they like to steal for fun,, one way or another the thing is misuse and abuse of something that has a very specific purpose.

salamander 27 Oct @ 10:48pm

Originally posted by SympliKrazi:
Originally posted by salamander:
if your child told you they thought they were gay, would you stop loving them? would you accept them for who they are? if you did not, they may never forgive you. are you willing to lose your childs love over such a thing?
Now do the same thing but with other things like, if your child told you they like to torture people for fun, or they like to steal for fun,, one way or another the thing is misuse and abuse of something that has a very specific purpose.

your child telling you they are gay and telling you they torture people are both extremely different things, and you even comparing the two is genuinely very disturbing.

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xAlphaStarOmegax 27 Oct @ 10:49pm

Originally posted by Alamort:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV)
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Last edited by xAlphaStarOmegax; 27 Oct @ 10:56pm

SympliKrazi 27 Oct @ 10:57pm

Originally posted by salamander:
Originally posted by SympliKrazi:
Now do the same thing but with other things like, if your child told you they like to torture people for fun, or they like to steal for fun,, one way or another the thing is misuse and abuse of something that has a very specific purpose.

your child telling you they are gay and telling you they torture people are both extremely different things, and you even comparing the two is genuinely very disturbing.

yes they are different things.
But they are not different in the sense, that a person wants to abuse something that already has a purpose.

pick any thing you like, if a child told you they only like incest or they like molesting, or they only like to sleep with married men, the list goes on and on

NeutronVortex 27 Oct @ 11:06pm

Originally posted by salamander:
Originally posted by SympliKrazi:
Now do the same thing but with other things like, if your child told you they like to torture people for fun, or they like to steal for fun,, one way or another the thing is misuse and abuse of something that has a very specific purpose.

your child telling you they are gay and telling you they torture people are both extremely different things, and you even comparing the two is genuinely very disturbing.

Bro moved the goal post to the moon. >.<

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Originally posted by SympliKrazi:
pick any thing you like, if a child told you they only like incest or they like molesting, or they only like to sleep with married men, the list goes on and on

Now it's out of the Milky Way...

Last edited by NeutronVortex; 27 Oct @ 11:07pm

salamander 27 Oct @ 11:10pm

Originally posted by NeutronVortex:
Originally posted by salamander:

your child telling you they are gay and telling you they torture people are both extremely different things, and you even comparing the two is genuinely very disturbing.

Bro moved the goal post to the moon. >.<

Edit:
Originally posted by SympliKrazi:
pick any thing you like, if a child told you they only like incest or they like molesting, or they only like to sleep with married men, the list goes on and on

Now it's out of the Milky Way...

yeah, best to just let one dig their own grave in moments like these. really, really disturbing stuff. unfortunately fairly average for what i see on these forums though, i have learned it is best in most cases just not to reply at all.

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SympliKrazi 27 Oct @ 11:10pm

Originally posted by NeutronVortex:
Originally posted by salamander:

your child telling you they are gay and telling you they torture people are both extremely different things, and you even comparing the two is genuinely very disturbing.

Bro moved the goal post to the moon. >.<

what goal post got moved and how?

There is a purpose for things in life, going outside that purpose is what is called missing the mark or sin.

the difference between gay and the aforementioned things, is western society accepts it as the norm, while i mentioned things that are not accepted. But we know from history, that not all things that are legal and accepted are good. For example, slavery used to be legal, segregation laws used to be legal. And there are still laws and things that are legal, but they are not good or healthy for people.

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Corvus XIII 27 Oct @ 11:13pm

Originally posted by SympliKrazi:
Originally posted by salamander:

your child telling you they are gay and telling you they torture people are both extremely different things, and you even comparing the two is genuinely very disturbing.
yes they are different things.
But they are not different in the sense, that a person wants to abuse something that already has a purpose.

pick any thing you like, if a child told you they only like incest or they like molesting, or they only like to sleep with married men, the list goes on and on

Stealing is part of the survival instinct.
It is not correct to do it but it is part of the 'drive' and 'satisfy' within us.

The other things you mentioned are bit out of order. - in the sense you bring them up and do not see the differences .

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The Man Himself 27 Oct @ 11:16pm

Christianity doesn't support Sin...period

Churches that support LGBT are supporting Sin.....

It doesn't make sense biblical, and against Christ's teachings...

Last edited by The Man Himself; 27 Oct @ 11:17pm

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Alamort 27 Oct @ 11:17pm

To be fair you can't really compare an orientation to anything under the sun without looking like a jerk or unfair. That's like being asked to look for a comparison to the mythical creature leviathan, so you just have to make do with what you know. Like people of certain transitions, it's a "thing" but there's nothing to compare it to or an equivalence that exists for it. And obviously it all needs to be within the realm of reality. I thought SympliKrazi's attempt at understanding this sin was excellent.

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SympliKrazi 27 Oct @ 11:20pm

I'm not trying to dig any holes for myself or for anyone. I'm trying to point out what should be obvious, people are falling into holes themselves, while at the same time saying that this is normal living. To a drunk person, the sea is knee high, even when he is smack in the middle of it.

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