What's the "standard of consumer ownership"?

Originally posted by datCookie:

What's the "standard of consumer ownership"?

Owning what you buy I think.

Steam (valve) isn't a culprit. you can play valve games offline.

I agree, it DOES suck. Should Steam ever go under (or be bought out by a shady company at some time in the far future) and deny me access to the games I bought from them, I’ll have zero qualms about sailing the seas to reclaim access to titles I bought directly. Steam isn’t like gamepass or a streaming service-I don’t pay to have access to a wide variety of titles-I pay very specifically for titles I want.

Originally posted by Lime:

Steam (valve) isn't a culprit. you can play valve games offline.

I’m pretty sure it still requires you to come online every so often (like most streaming services with download options), but I could be wrong, maybe that’s changed at some point.

It does sicken me how many purely (or mostly) single-player experiences lock access to their game behind an internet connection (either via anti-piracy software or a third party launcher). I try to avoid those games as much as possible since I’m a Steam Deck only player ATM regarding Steam and while I usually have Wi-Fi, sometimes I don’t.

At least one of the companies with an obnoxious launcher recently gave me an excellent reason to never waste another cent on their games (EA).

Originally posted by Lime:

Steam (valve) isn't a culprit. you can play valve games offline.

But can you play them without Steam
As your Steam credentials expire after some time offline I think

Well before DRM there was copy protection, I'm quite glad i don't have to type in so many CD keys every time i wanna install a game.

Or even put a disc into my CD/DVD drive, maybe have the disc scratched and I have to buy it again.

Maybe floppy disks that failed too often and ruined it.

I don't really see a problem with today's DRM.

Originally posted by HeavyGoat:

Originally posted by Lime:

Steam (valve) isn't a culprit. you can play valve games offline.

But can you play them without Steam
As your Steam credentials expire after some time offline I think

So, you buy the games through steam. but you're questioning whether or not you can play them without steam? are you a good person or should I just not respond?

Buy from GOG if you don't want DRM.

Originally posted by sick duck:

Buy from GOG if you don't want DRM.

GoG is no guarantee of there being no DRM

Originally posted by sick duck:

Buy from GOG if you don't want DRM.

I didn't know that when I was 8.

Originally posted by HeavyGoat:

Originally posted by sick duck:

Buy from GOG if you don't want DRM.

I didn't know that when I was 8.

lucky you're slightly older than 8 now

Originally posted by datCookie:

Originally posted by sick duck:

Buy from GOG if you don't want DRM.

GoG is no guarantee of there being no DRM

Genuine question: Since when? AFAIK that’s one of their main selling points. No DRM + you OWN your games (instead of a license to play them).

Originally posted by KrakenGreywolf:

Originally posted by datCookie:

GoG is no guarantee of there being no DRM

Genuine question: Since when? AFAIK that’s one of their main selling points. No DRM + you OWN your games (instead of a license to play them).

Because you can still be subject to the licenses of 3rd party games. Just because GoG may or may not enforce it, doesn't mean you are free and clear.

Originally posted by Lime:

Originally posted by HeavyGoat:

But can you play them without Steam
As your Steam credentials expire after some time offline I think

So, you buy the games through steam. but you're questioning whether or not you can play them without steam? are you a good person or should I just not respond?

Level 350. No wonder why you're defending Valve so much on every aspect. You have basically spent a fortune there.

You're also wrong to make an universal conclusion. Some games on Steam come without or largely without DRM. Such as Terraria, FNAF, and Cyberpunk 2077. So not every game on Steam must be run with Steam. So, you're defending Valve from something they don't even universally do, therefore making it you to blame them for the DRM.

I have not offended you, yet you see the need to resort to personal attacks. Blocked.

Piracy in fact never had to be fought.

Even in the old retail days..
A person who did pirated did spend on average 400 euro extra on games per year.
so it leads to more sales not less.

The only ones bothing about piracy are the biggest studios.. Which with piracy actually may loose revenue due their scam of hyped bad products not works it people sample before buying.

A world with legal piracy is as a cottonfarm with paid workers.. It makes 40 million and each of the thousand pluckers workers gets 40000 a tear
Those who try to criminalise piracy is the slave owner who not cares the plantation only makes 1 million.. As long as he is the one who gets it. even if the 99 others het nothing..

The idea that each pirated copy = a lost sesale ofcourse is bullocks..
Anti piract polices like when steam drm was added to fysical games are all about greed and control.