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- Outraged leftist after a meeting is announced between Trump and Putin to discuss peace in Ukraine
"Trump didn't negotiate peace!!! What a failure!!!! Reeeeeeeehhhhh!!!"+
- Same outraged leftist after the meeting is concluded and a peace treaty isn't immediately signed
The only takeaway from this entire situation is your lot seems to be extremely confused about what you actually want.
Meanwhile, the reasonable people understand that a two hour long meeting couldn't have possibly resulted with a peace agreement being signed there and then and it was actually just about setting the groundwork to talk about peace.
And that comes with the leaders of the involved nations - which again, according to you people would require the entirety of Europe, Ukraine, the UK and God knows who else to sit at the table - actually meeting and talking with one another instead of just screeching "war criminal!!!".
And to that objective, other meetings are already scheduled, including one with Zelensky - during which Trump will most likely present the initial demand and offer advanced by Putin, and return with those that Ukraine will advance on their own - just next week.
But yeah, diplomacy is a long process in general and even longer when peace agreements are being brokered.
The talks to conclude the war in Vietnam started on May 10, 1968; and the Paris Accords were signed on January 27, 1973.
But since it was our beloved messiah trump. Let's repurpose it to make it fit far right narratives, and hey this meeting wasn't about peace. It was about two depots having a coffee together and going home. Nothing more, stop criticizing him.
Maybe, maybe not.
What we do know is that not a single one of those "democratic leaders" even managed to bring an alleged peace negotiation to materialize.
By that metric alone Trump is already so far ahead that they can't even see him anymore.
All those 'fancy tea parties' won't do anything because putin is not interested in peace. Mr. Biden's administration knew this from day one, when putin started his war.
Those "outraged leftists" you are talking about are basically all the sane people (from all sides of the political landscape) who hold Trump accountable for his promises and words. In other words, people who aren't cultists and making excuses for the failed orange president.
Trump is trying to stop a war started under Biden. And the next meeting is on Monday.
What about these conflicts stopped by Trump this year?
Cambodia and Thailand
India and Pakistan
Congo and Rwanda
Israel and Iran
Armenia and Azerbaijan
And we circle back to the usual question.
Any peace with Russia will be imperfect (and any peace agreement in history required the two parties to come to a compromise that was unsatisfactory for either one), but what is the alternative?
Sending millions of men to march into Russia? Bombing a country that possess nuclear weapons on intercontinental missiles? Starting WW3?
Are those really better options than Ukraine losing a few square miles?
Does it surprise me you have no understanding of the word "hyperbole"?
No, not really.
I would try to explain how every candidate makes shocking promises that can't be taken literally but "Orange man bad" supercedes them all in your playbook so.... keep whining from Finland, while the USA protect you.
No, not really.
The feeling is mutual.
Mexico paying for the wall is probably also just a "hyperbole". And anything else Trump has ever said. That's hilarious. 😂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=podz23NzvKA
I think the better questions to be asked are:
1) Why should Ukraine accept anything less than the return of annexed territory?
2) Why should Ukraine accept Russia annexing territory, when they're now doing this for a second time and very likely could do it for a third in the future?
Ukraine earned their independence when the USSR collapsed. Russia is now taking their territory illegally and by force, committing war crimes to achieve their goals. These are not people who should be appeased.
It's extremely sad how so many Americans, whose own freedoms they hold dear, do not care one bit about the freedoms of anyone else.
No, recently trump threatened russia with crippling sanctions/tariffs in case putin wouldn't want to pursue to seek peace before a deadline. Imposing those would be a first step, since there are 10% tariffs on Ukraine but 0% tariffs on russia. Secondly, during the election campaign trump promised that if putin wouldn't want to 'co-operate', trump would give Ukraine so much military aid that putin would crawl to the negotiation table. How about giving Ukraine more military hardware?
Why should four oblasts full of Russians not be able to determine their destiny as Russians, and secede and join Russia?
What about their freedom? Does their matter?