Russia has unlimited manpower and a large industrial base, there was never a chance they would lose. The West's goal isn't even to win just to kill as many Russians as possible.

Originally posted by Magma Dragoon:

Russia has unlimited manpower and a large industrial base, there was never a chance they would lose. The West's goal isn't even to win just to kill as many Russians as possible.

Russian Military Strategy.

Keep throwing men until you win.

Considering how limited Ukraine is able to strike into Russian territories it has tied their hands in the conflict. It is hard to stop a army who can mass troops in relative safety just outside of your territory. It has the limited ability to, but if it used it weapons to their full ability, the West threatens to limit military aid to the country.

They're able to fight it on the cheap. 1980's era crap being at thrown at them, they can use conscripts, even from prisons to fight it, along with mercs, and can withstand the sanctions at the same time, while keeping his up to date tech, weapons, artillery and aircraft in reserves in case NATO was to enter.

In short, they're fighting this war on the cheap, with near unlimited rescources, against an army that just some months ago were driving farm tractors, expected to fight a military superpower with redundant outdated crap.

Ukraine was never gonna win, and i'm sad to say, we used them as pawns, as if thinking we can weaken Putin, and have his country ouster him. In the end, like our other past ventures, that has failed.

Therefore, before we now see our European friends get conscripted into a quagmire they will never win, we need to get to the Peace Table NOW.

So what now? All of this is for nothing? That the world is doomed? Russia rules the world?

kremlinbots assemble

I can't explain why you feel the way that you feel. That's surely up for you to elaborate on?

Originally posted by Xero_Daxter:

Originally posted by Magma Dragoon:

Russia has unlimited manpower and a large industrial base, there was never a chance they would lose. The West's goal isn't even to win just to kill as many Russians as possible.

Russian Military Strategy.

Keep throwing men until you win.

Something western countries that exported their industry overseas to 3rd world countries, for LORD Globalism can't do. Because who cares if you make your country helpless in a war, if the 1% make max profits with 3rd world wages.

Wait thats what made china the super power it is? And now it doesn't listen to us?

Wait thats what's making india become the power that it is? And its started backtalking the west?

Well 3rd times the charm, vietnam or whoever, your up? Wait, why are all of you in Brics so its harder to use currency to exploit you?? What?? This world has gone crazy, do what us rich westerners want you to do!

Originally posted by Trash:

Unless the EU or European countries decide to actually join in no amount of funding is going to keep Ukraine alive.

And no one will join because that's WW3 nuclear war.

Originally posted by Tom Macdonald:

is this russia winning?
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-weapons-biden-kharkiv-c46c3ca0f0f4893c8c3b0ef53e974438
how are they even letting this happen?

The fear is they're not going to let it happen. One mishap killing civilians and the tac nukes get launched into Kyiv, and maybe others, ending the war.

Originally posted by Stacked:

Originally posted by Trash:

Unless the EU or European countries decide to actually join in no amount of funding is going to keep Ukraine alive.

And no one will join because that's WW3 nuclear war.

You over estimate how willing america is to sacrifice its western vassals. Germany already suffered. France wants to suffer. Georgia they keep trying to trick into being a proxy.

How did america become the world ruler in the first place? Europe destroyed itself with war, Germany got broken up, and russia got bled dry.

What has tried to happen again? Russia was tried to be bled dry with sanctions and war, and Europe manufacturing capital, Germany had its pipeline destroyed, meaning no cheap energy. And without cheap energy you lose to china in a price war.

If china wasn't the elephant in the room, why would america care if the same thing played out that made it a world power in the first place? If everyone destroys themselves, america can default and no one can do anything about it.

Originally posted by Tom Macdonald:

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

The fear is they're not going to let it happen. One mishap killing civilians and the tac nukes get launched into Kyiv, and maybe others, ending the war.

oh sure, no, that would not end the war. thats called mutually agreed destruction then. that would really just escalate it and humanity would die out not quite immediately after but quickly.

Well a "tactical nuke" is not a ballistic nuke. It only takes out a fraction of the area, where a ballistic nuke, is what causes mass destruction, and what we think of a nuclear war.

And so, if these weapons hit inside Russia, and kill innocents, we're not ruling out he may use them, and at that point, just end it, and any illusion NATO may get involved.

I mean we'll pout and scream, but it would be over at that point. Russia is only keeping this going, being it's going well for them. When they see it's not, that will be the end game.

Theres not even a reason this needs to be a world war, for europe.

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

They're able to fight it on the cheap. 1980's era crap being at thrown at them, they can use conscripts, even from prisons to fight it, along with mercs, and can withstand the sanctions at the same time, while keeping his up to date tech, weapons, artillery and aircraft in reserves in case NATO was to enter.

In short, they're fighting this war on the cheap, with near unlimited rescources, against an army that just some months ago were driving farm tractors, expected to fight a military superpower with redundant outdated crap.

Ukraine was never gonna win, and i'm sad to say, we used them as pawns, as if thinking we can weaken Putin, and have his country ouster him. In the end, like our other past ventures, that has failed.

Therefore, before we now see our European friends get conscripted into a quagmire they will never win, we need to get to the Peace Table NOW.

That is not the goal of the NATO intervention.. basically Europe have been "at peace" and focused on social welfare, tech progression and so forth.. they have skimped their defence sector, but this conflict have made them flip the coin.

Currently they support Ukraine, so that they can "buy time" to develop their full potential defence sector and it is working. If they can stall Ukrinian capitulation 2-3 years, they will be ready for a large scale battle.. the real issue would be if the Federation would win fast, that could put pressure on Europe, as they would most certainly go for Moldova and so forth.

Well that's up to the Europeans to decide. Apparently some are already talking conscription. If that's what they want to do, but then again, as i said, idt Putins gonna let it go that far. He's hoping for Trump, and a good deal, but if it gets sticky before hand, he'll just end it.

Cold wars can neither be won or lost.

Follow the money.