Opinions on YT Copyright?

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Arnold Rimmers JustAGirl 19 Aug, 2019 @ 12:34am

Please keep this forum friendly guys.

What are your opinions regarding copyright on YouTube and the trend of companies copyright claiming as much as possible?

On one hand, companies have the right to seek copyright, on the other, when they aggressively or pettily do this it really leaves a bad taste and no desire to work with them.

For example, I started a new unmonetized channel recently. I have been playing GTA III and posting a no commentary playthrough just for fun.
Yet I somehow end up being copyright striked for a 2011 Italian Opera song in game play of a game from the early 2000's that I have paid for and have every right to post footage of.
The only way to get around this is to conflict it which takes up to 1 month, meanwhile they can copyright whatever the y want, whenever and not have any timelines or stress.
The end point me being told I can never monetize the video, all over roughly 40 seconds of very quiet audio that probably is not the right Italian song if you follow their own info on when the song was actually released, (almost a decade after it appeared in GTA III.)
Obviously I told them to go jump and simply edited out the few seconds of audio on principle.

I have also had Disney completely wreck a beta video of Star Wars Battlefront 1.
They claimed my entire half hour video over 3 seconds of Star Wars theme, which plays at the start of each match.
So in the end I just muted that whole entire video years ago too, ruining all the audio for a half hour clip over 3 seconds of Disney copyright, in a fully realized Star Wars game.

In my opinion, this is complete dishonesty anyway and I absolutely hate that companies do this, whether right or wrong. I feel so sorry for those that have their actual monetary gain on YT and Twitch ruined by greedy copyright hungry companies, like what happened with the YTber TEO the other week.
There seems to be a major lack of respect when it comes to fair use and what falls under it and YouTube are absolute pros at throwing their content creators to the wolves, just like Twitch do any chance they get to protect their brand image.
You get given no real alert, no simple option and have to jump through hoops to prove "innocence."

Anyway, what do you guys think?
Please keep it super duper tame with comments though, I want a discussion, not a locked post.

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Arnold Rimmers JustAGirl 19 Aug, 2019 @ 12:38am

Oh, quick note. I wasn't thinking and use copy strike and copy claim interchangeably. I talk about both, but mainly copy claim here.

↑↑↓↓←→←→BASelect 19 Aug, 2019 @ 12:49am

You can not use any copyrighted music or video with out the owners permission. This is why youtube bans the video that has a copyright infringement on it. It's not about the money but protecting a persons hard work. You sound like you would be ok if you made a rock album and only one person bought it and that person uploaded it to the internet and 1 million people download it. Wouldn't you be mad that you only got paid once for the album you worked so hard on? Or would you be cool with people infringing on your copyright and let it go and say eh no big deal.

No matter how old a song is if it is still under a copyright then it can't be used with out the copy right holders permission.

Heck the happy birthday song been around for over a century and it still has a copy right. Why do you think places come up with their own happy birthday song? So they don't have to pay a licensing fee.

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Walach 19 Aug, 2019 @ 1:20am

It's a slippery slope in my eyes. If a company accepts your videos, then it should accept other videos from other people aswell. And where do you draw the line? Half a game? The whole thing?

As it is now you "technically" can't even show some footage if it's not fair use but most companies have thankfully given you the right to upload gameplay footage to youtube, you can even earn money from it. For me that is a HUGE act of 'kindness' from the companies.

Music is a whole different kind of beast as they are notoriously defensive about their rights.
Some games even have an option to remove copyrighted music ingame for those who stream or record the gameplay. Just think about that for a second and you might understand how much some companies try and help you with your gameplay videos! :O

I don't like the copyright laws as they are now, but you have to work with what you have. You could also get a consultation from a lawyer on what you can and can not do and what the risks are.

Originally posted by Killroy was here:
Heck the happy birthday song been around for over a century and it still has a copy right. Why do you think places come up with their own happy birthday song? So they don't have to pay a licensing fee.

I believe the "happy birthday song" has entered the public domain now. But it was done just recently so I think your point still stands on the whole "everything is/can be copyrighted". :/

Last edited by Walach; 19 Aug, 2019 @ 1:25am

↑↑↓↓←→←→BASelect 19 Aug, 2019 @ 1:37am

Originally posted by Walach:
It's a slippery slope in my eyes. If a company accepts your videos, then it should accept other videos from other people aswell. And where do you draw the line? Half a game? The whole thing?

As it is now you "technically" can't even show some footage if it's not fair use but most companies have thankfully given you the right to upload gameplay footage to youtube, you can even earn money from it. For me that is a HUGE act of 'kindness' from the companies.

Music is a whole different kind of beast as they are notoriously defensive about their rights.
Some games even have an option to remove copyrighted music ingame for those who stream or record the gameplay. Just think about that for a second and you might understand how much some companies try and help you with your gameplay videos! :O

I don't like the copyright laws as they are now, but you have to work with what you have. You could also get a consultation from a lawyer on what you can and can not do and what the risks are.

Originally posted by Killroy was here:
Heck the happy birthday song been around for over a century and it still has a copy right. Why do you think places come up with their own happy birthday song? So they don't have to pay a licensing fee.

I believe the "happy birthday song" has entered the public domain now. But it was done just recently so I think your point still stands on the whole "everything is/can be copyrighted". :/

I never knew it became public domain. I remember them talking about it but i didn't keep up with it.

Walach 19 Aug, 2019 @ 1:45am

Originally posted by Killroy was here:
I never knew it became public domain. I remember them talking about it but i didn't keep up with it.

I just remembered it because someone I knew talked about it today. So you are forgiven for not knowing everything that happens around the world! ;P

I just find it "funny" that so many things you don't even think about, if it's copyrighted, IS copyrighted. :/

joeymeboy98 19 Aug, 2019 @ 1:54am

Originally posted by Walach:
It's a slippery slope in my eyes. If a company accepts your videos, then it should accept other videos from other people aswell. And where do you draw the line? Half a game? The whole thing?

As it is now you "technically" can't even show some footage if it's not fair use but most companies have thankfully given you the right to upload gameplay footage to youtube, you can even earn money from it. For me that is a HUGE act of 'kindness' from the companies.

Music is a whole different kind of beast as they are notoriously defensive about their rights.
Some games even have an option to remove copyrighted music ingame for those who stream or record the gameplay. Just think about that for a second and you might understand how much some companies try and help you with your gameplay videos! :O

I don't like the copyright laws as they are now, but you have to work with what you have. You could also get a consultation from a lawyer on what you can and can not do and what the risks are.

Originally posted by Killroy was here:
Heck the happy birthday song been around for over a century and it still has a copy right. Why do you think places come up with their own happy birthday song? So they don't have to pay a licensing fee.

I believe the "happy birthday song" has entered the public domain now. But it was done just recently so I think your point still stands on the whole "everything is/can be copyrighted". :/

From what I've read a long time ago it was ruled that a only very specific arrangement could be copywrited, since the song itself is so ubiquitous at birthday parties that it would be like copywriting the very concept of birthdays itself. This means that companies no longer have to make a stand in version, then again I read that awhile back on an online forum so it could have been conjecture.

Radene 19 Aug, 2019 @ 1:57am

If you don't have permission to use it, you don't have permission to use it. I'd also be grumpy if someone took something I created and made money off it without getting a yes from me first.

Arnold Rimmers JustAGirl 19 Aug, 2019 @ 2:08am

Originally posted by Killroy was here:
You sound like you would be ok if you made a rock album and only one person bought it and that person uploaded it to the internet and 1 million people download it. Wouldn't you be mad that you only got paid once for the album you worked so hard on? Or would you be cool with people infringing on your copyright and let it go and say eh no big deal.

The logic here reminds me of The Witcher author crying at CDPR because they made tonnes of money from his average novels and he was dumb enough to agree to such a small sum then change his mind or regret and think that makes it okay to ask for more. lol

chiefputsilao 19 Aug, 2019 @ 2:10am

in before lock.

Fumo Bnnuy n Friends 19 Aug, 2019 @ 2:30am

To be fair copyright is pretty tricky.

Somethings imo wouldn't be or shouldn't be copy striked if its done for fun. Should a singer go to an elementary school talent show and copystrike/sue the kiddies who are doing a folly skid to their songs? Is a local event food vendor playing the stereo be sued for attracting people to his stand using music? Hell both cases they make $$$ (sell tickets for the talent show or sell more items at their stand as the music sets the atmosphere).

YT becoming more monetized was imo one of the worst things it could've done. There are no talent hacks who post garbage content and make hundred, thousands, maybe millions of $$$ on their channel for ad revenue.

Then you have just regular kiddies/people who wanna make a video for fun and interact with the world. No money involved, they just wanna make a video, post it, and be immortalized forever online. But because they play more than 5 seconds of a beatles song in their intro their video gets taken down.

Not just YT but also music/gaming/tv companies too.

Probably one of the better examples i can give about companies being scummy/just wtf was the pokemon uranium mod game from another pokemon game. They actually got the greenlight from nintendo only to get copystriked and taken down last min.

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Arnold Rimmers JustAGirl 19 Aug, 2019 @ 2:34am

Originally posted by (TF2SP) The Cooler Aya:
To be fair copyright is pretty tricky.

Somethings imo wouldn't be or shouldn't be copy striked if its done for fun. Should a singer go to an elementary school talent show and copystrike/sue the kiddies who are doing a folly skid to their songs? Is a local event food vendor playing the stereo be sued for attracting people to his stand using music? Hell both cases they make $$$ (sell tickets for the talent show or sell more items at their stand as the music sets the atmosphere).

YT becoming more monetized was imo one of the worst things it could've done. There are no talent hacks who post garbage content and make hundred, thousands, maybe millions of $$$ on their channel for ad revenue.

Then you have just regular kiddies/people who wanna make a video for fun and interact with the world. No money involved, they just wanna make a video, post it, and be immortalized forever online. But because they play more than 5 seconds of a beatles song in their intro their video gets taken down.

The only thing worse than this copyright/YT treats their content creators whilst they make bank IMO are those clickbait and no talent videos.

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Fumo Bnnuy n Friends 19 Aug, 2019 @ 2:35am

Originally posted by Splatterpult:
Originally posted by (TF2SP) The Cooler Aya:
To be fair copyright is pretty tricky.

Somethings imo wouldn't be or shouldn't be copy striked if its done for fun. Should a singer go to an elementary school talent show and copystrike/sue the kiddies who are doing a folly skid to their songs? Is a local event food vendor playing the stereo be sued for attracting people to his stand using music? Hell both cases they make $$$ (sell tickets for the talent show or sell more items at their stand as the music sets the atmosphere).

YT becoming more monetized was imo one of the worst things it could've done. There are no talent hacks who post garbage content and make hundred, thousands, maybe millions of $$$ on their channel for ad revenue.

Then you have just regular kiddies/people who wanna make a video for fun and interact with the world. No money involved, they just wanna make a video, post it, and be immortalized forever online. But because they play more than 5 seconds of a beatles song in their intro their video gets taken down.
The only thing worse than this copyright/YT treats their content creators whilst they make bank IMO are those clickbait and no talent videos.

yeah those what i meant. The clickbait videos that try to just make money, no sustinance.

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Arnold Rimmers JustAGirl 19 Aug, 2019 @ 2:37am

Originally posted by (TF2SP) The Cooler Aya:
Originally posted by Splatterpult:
The only thing worse than this copyright/YT treats their content creators whilst they make bank IMO are those clickbait and no talent videos.
yeah those what i meant. The clickbait videos that try to just make money, no sustinance.

I have watched quite a few YT creators who make good content be punished whilst the trash videos are ignored. Reminds me of the preferential treatment on Twitch.

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Xaelath 19 Aug, 2019 @ 2:45am

You can gain any money anymore in YouTube that's what i know of.

It's quite hard to pass a game without getting copyrighted as long the video itself has song/music that's copyrighted.

Well at some point you just need to turn off the music down and put a bgm that doesn't have copyright or your own stuff.

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pasa 19 Aug, 2019 @ 2:48am

The copyright rules are ridiculous regardless of YT. Somewhere at the start they might have had some sense that serves the whole community but soon it just started to serve CR holders' offsprings and derivatives. The current execution has nothing to do with the original rationale.

But it will stay that way, probably keep worsening as the related lobby has billions for that purpose.

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