AMD FSR frame gen 2x is fine but it d be nice to have 4x but it requires AI cores to keep the latency in check (avoid higher latency) . AMD uses shaders for frame gen 2x .for 4x using only shaders ,without AI cores, would introduce latency . But AMD dont include AI cores in gaming GPUs

framegen is garbage on all cards

Originally posted by Zef:

framegen is garbage on all cards

for me it s fine . upscaler + frame gen is better than native in terms of FPS and latency

Originally posted by smallcat:

i m very pleased with my new RX 9070 but learnt it cant provide multiframe gen since Radeons lack AI cores. Well i m fine with 2x frame gen but AMD should add such cores as NVidia Tensor

AMD has AI cores that are used for FSR4
You can have multi frame gen in any game with Lossless Scaling app. it offers up to 20x multi frame gen.

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by smallcat:

i m very pleased with my new RX 9070 but learnt it cant provide multiframe gen since Radeons lack AI cores. Well i m fine with 2x frame gen but AMD should add such cores as NVidia Tensor

AMD has AI cores that are used for FSR4
You can have multi frame gen in any game with Lossless Scaling app. it offers up to 20x multi frame gen.

no they dont . They have enhanced shaders which use for FSR frame gen.They have matrix cores(AI cores) in their cards for AI only .Lossless scaling is ... meh

I don't use condoms or fake frames to play.

Originally posted by smallcat:

Originally posted by C1REX:

AMD has AI cores that are used for FSR4
You can have multi frame gen in any game with Lossless Scaling app. it offers up to 20x multi frame gen.

no they dont . They have enhanced shaders which use for FSR .They have matrix cores(AI cores) in their cards for AI only .Lossless scaling is ... meh

Not using them =/= not having them....Lossless scaling uses them and its quite good so meh yourself lol.

I'm generally not a fan of frame gen or upscaling. I will use DLSS Quality with some games like Tarkov (RTX 3090/ 1440p), but in many cases for the games I play, it's unnecessary. I almost never used FSR with my RX 7600, I just lowered one or two settings if needed.

People really do fall for marketing in 2025

Originally posted by smallcat:

Originally posted by C1REX:

AMD has AI cores that are used for FSR4
You can have multi frame gen in any game with Lossless Scaling app. it offers up to 20x multi frame gen.

no they dont .

Yes they do.

Originally posted by smallcat:

They have enhanced shaders which use for FSR

Wrong again they use FP8 for FSR 4 although it shows it will run on INT8 on older GPU's, Nvidia and Intel use INT8 for DLSS/XES

Originally posted by smallcat:

They have matrix cores(AI cores) in their cards for AI only .Lossless scaling is ... meh

Matrix cores are just normal cores with a fancy name "AMD's matrix cores support a wide range of precision formats, including FP64, FP32, and lower precision formats like INT8 and FP8"

"AMD's matrix cores are part of their CDNA architecture, found in server-grade Instinct accelerators, and have been introduced in consumer-grade RDNA architectures starting with RDNA 4"

You read some stuff and thought you understood it but alas you didn't.

@WingOzero ,
yes, RX 9070 has matrix cores — but they’re limited in scale, purpose, and software support compared to AMD’s true AI accelerators .So , AMD use them on RX 9000 only for FSR 4 but not for frame gen
old Radeons ,dont have Matrix cores at all

edit
in RX 9000 there re Matrix cores but they are not so powerful as in AMD AI cards . limited functionality and cant do frame fen 4 without latecy increase

RX9070 has 112 matrix cores?

AMD Matrix cores have the same features as Nvidia tensor cores.

Also keep in mind: RTX5060 "supports" MFG at the cost of losing 1/2-1/3 of the real performance xD
Not trully x3 or x4, is it?

I wonder if FG will improve in the future to the point where it gives a massive performance boost for a small drawback, just like DLSS does now. I also wonder if consoles will have FG that you can't even turn off. It would be funny.

Originally posted by smallcat:

edit
in RX 9000 there re Matrix cores but they are not so powerful as in AMD AI cards . limited functionality and cant do frame fen 4 without latecy increase

True, but it's also true for Nvidia and Intel.
There is no frame generation without latency increase yet.
The best solution is Lossless Scaling app with a second GPU dedicated just for framegen so there is no loss of base FPS. Even AMD, Nvidia or Intel don't offer such option of using second GPU for FG. All current FG technologies increase latency.

Originally posted by smallcat:

old Radeons ,dont have Matrix cores at all

All older RDNA is missing vs RDNA 4 is FP8, that's why they got it running on INT8 for that FSR4 mod, you're getting caught up in this Matrix core thing like it's some new kind of magic where in simple terms they just added FP8 in to the CU's.

Nvidia does it a bit different but same result, Nvidia didn't introduce FP8 too till 4th gen Hopper.

Matrix cores are integrated into the Compute Units (CU's) as specialised execution units.

Nvidia tensor cores are dedicated and separate processing cores within a streaming multiprocessor (SM), same for RT cores.

I'm going to guess it's better the way Nvidia does it because AMD is separating RT from the CU's in the upcoming "Radiance Cores" which will handle more of the ray tracing workload directly offloading it from the CU's, but that's just for RT not up-scaling in RDNA5, maybe RDNA6 will have a separate "tensor" solution for FSR to offload the CU's, makes sense to focus on RT cores and RT performance first as FSR 4 is decent for now.