OK its simple.....you are already GPU bottlenecked.....the fact the GPU is hitting a 100% means the CPU is not bottlenecking anything.....if the CPU was slowing you down you would see something like 80% GPU usage

ITS NOT WORTH UPGRADING ANYTHING ON THIS SYSTEM.....with OUT a better GPU you have no need for a better CPU.....


https://www.techspot.com/review/3039-intel-arc-performance-cpu-overhead/


yes i know this is about a intel ARC GPU and how the drivers changed BUT in there they compare a 9800x3d with a 5600 none X or G and show what a 9060xt 8gb gets in frame rates VS a B580 after the driver updates......

9800x3d paired with a 9060xt 8gb got 331 frames in rainbow six siege X......a 5600 with the same 9060xt 8gb got 327 frames......both at 1080p.....4 frames between a old CPU and the best on the market for gaming....just wow....

its like this for almost every game.....the GPU core on a 9060xt 8gb is the same as the 16gb and none of the games in the list were Vram bound.....so its valid proof a upgrade even with the best CPU on the market will not gain anything of value with that GPU

conclusion based on the link provided you need to upgrade the whole system to see a jump in performance.....doing a CPU, mother and memory upgrade wont do anything if the GPU can hit a 100%

Originally posted by smokerob79:

OK its simple.....you are already GPU bottlenecked.....the fact the GPU is hitting a 100% means the CPU is not bottlenecking anything.....if the CPU was slowing you down you would see something like 80% GPU usage

ITS NOT WORTH UPGRADING ANYTHING ON THIS SYSTEM.....with OUT a better GPU you have no need for a better CPU.....


https://www.techspot.com/review/3039-intel-arc-performance-cpu-overhead/


yes i know this is about a intel ARC GPU and how the drivers changed BUT in there they compare a 9800x3d with a 5600 none X or G and show what a 9060xt 8gb gets in frame rates VS a B580 after the driver updates......

9800x3d paired with a 9060xt 8gb got 331 frames in rainbow six siege X......a 5600 with the same 9060xt 8gb got 327 frames......both at 1080p.....4 frames between a old CPU and the best on the market for gaming....just wow....

its like this for almost every game.....the GPU core on a 9060xt 8gb is the same as the 16gb and none of the games in the list were Vram bound.....so its valid proof a upgrade even with the best CPU on the market will not gain anything of value with that GPU

conclusion based on the link provided you need to upgrade the whole system to see a jump in performance.....doing a CPU, mother and memory upgrade wont do anything if the GPU can hit a 100%

the gpu is not hitting 100 , its rarely happening in any game , and mostly in single players titles. Modern coop games like helldivers 2 , space marine 2 , stalker 2 , etc are always at 88% or below, even at max 1080p settings

what mobo exactly?

bottom end boards can take a ryzen 5800x3d but will throttle it before the cpu can get warm if the board cant give the cpu the power it needs

Originally posted by _I_:

what mobo exactly?

bottom end boards can take a ryzen 5800x3d but will throttle it before the cpu can get warm if the board cant give the cpu the power it needs

its b450 arous M, pcie 3.0

if the gpu is at 100% the cpu is not limiting it

if the gpu is under 90% the cpu is most likely limiting

simple test is to lower res or visual settings (and disable vsync/freesync), if fps does not go up, the cpu is limiting it

Not much point to upgrade, only maybe if you can get 5700X3D cheap.

Any R5/R7 3d chip. Bios supporting.

Originally posted by _I_:

if the gpu is at 100% the cpu is not limiting it

if the gpu is under 90% the cpu is most likely limiting

simple test is to lower res or visual settings (and disable vsync/freesync), if fps does not go up, the cpu is limiting it

ofc gpu is getting bottlenecked , thats why i am upgrading it , in most games where good cpu is required my gpu is always below 90 , and its very unplayable...

After seeing some videos i feel the 9600x is kinda weak for games like helldivers 2 , space marine 2 , battlefield 6 , stalker 2, etc.

Should i got for intel and get the i5 14600k ?

the X3d cpus of AMD are very expensive for me , can try to get the 7800x3d

Originally posted by † ROGUE †:

Originally posted by _I_:

what mobo exactly?

bottom end boards can take a ryzen 5800x3d but will throttle it before the cpu can get warm if the board cant give the cpu the power it needs

its b450 arous M, pcie 3.0

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-AORUS-M-rev-1x
looks like 11 phases total, not all with cooling, and doesnt say how its split

most likely 8+2+1, 6 with heatsink
would be ~190w (150+40w) to cores, 2 to igpu, 1 to imc

amd cpus can draw about 2x their rated wattage at max
as long as amd says its under a 100w cpu it should be fine in the board
5700x3d amd says 105w, would be pushing it
if its throttles at full cpu load and cpu is staying cool, the board cant give it what it needs

Originally posted by † ROGUE †:

Originally posted by _I_:

if the gpu is at 100% the cpu is not limiting it

if the gpu is under 90% the cpu is most likely limiting

simple test is to lower res or visual settings (and disable vsync/freesync), if fps does not go up, the cpu is limiting it

ofc gpu is getting bottlenecked , thats why i am upgrading it , in most games where good cpu is required my gpu is always below 90 , and its very unplayable...

After seeing some videos i feel the 9600x is kinda weak for games like helldivers 2 , space marine 2 , battlefield 6 , stalker 2, etc.

Should i got for intel and get the i5 14600k ?

the X3d cpus of AMD are very expensive for me , can try to get the 7800x3d

7xxx-9xxx will need am5 board and ddr5

Originally posted by _I_:

Originally posted by † ROGUE †:

ofc gpu is getting bottlenecked , thats why i am upgrading it , in most games where good cpu is required my gpu is always below 90 , and its very unplayable...

After seeing some videos i feel the 9600x is kinda weak for games like helldivers 2 , space marine 2 , battlefield 6 , stalker 2, etc.

Should i got for intel and get the i5 14600k ?

the X3d cpus of AMD are very expensive for me , can try to get the 7800x3d

7xxx-9xxx will need am5 board and ddr5

yeah im going for a ddr5 system

9060XT is a fairly "entry level" GPU as is. As argued, the five years old 3070 isn't far off -- and the 4070 from early 2023 still a good deal away. The "ideal" Ryzen CPU for it is probably a 7500F or 7600, which have a slight edge over the best AM4 non-X3D chips.. But then it also depends on the game and how CPU heavy it is.

I'd personally never switch out AM4 with a GPU like that personally. Too costly for the possible gain. However, if things are "unplayble", whatever that means to you, there's no choice but to upgrade. Even looking all the way back to Ryzen 3600, depite half a decade between the chips, you're looking at "but" 40% average at best by going 9600. And that's with a 4090 (that is, no GPU bottleneck). At least that's some significant, mind. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-9600x/17.html


Fresh Battlefield 6 CPU benchmarks:
https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Battlefield-6-Spiel-75270/Specials/Tech-Test-Benchmarks-CPU-GPU-Performance-1483288/4/

Originally posted by † ROGUE †:

Originally posted by smokerob79:

OK its simple.....you are already GPU bottlenecked.....the fact the GPU is hitting a 100% means the CPU is not bottlenecking anything.....if the CPU was slowing you down you would see something like 80% GPU usage

ITS NOT WORTH UPGRADING ANYTHING ON THIS SYSTEM.....with OUT a better GPU you have no need for a better CPU.....


https://www.techspot.com/review/3039-intel-arc-performance-cpu-overhead/


yes i know this is about a intel ARC GPU and how the drivers changed BUT in there they compare a 9800x3d with a 5600 none X or G and show what a 9060xt 8gb gets in frame rates VS a B580 after the driver updates......

9800x3d paired with a 9060xt 8gb got 331 frames in rainbow six siege X......a 5600 with the same 9060xt 8gb got 327 frames......both at 1080p.....4 frames between a old CPU and the best on the market for gaming....just wow....

its like this for almost every game.....the GPU core on a 9060xt 8gb is the same as the 16gb and none of the games in the list were Vram bound.....so its valid proof a upgrade even with the best CPU on the market will not gain anything of value with that GPU

conclusion based on the link provided you need to upgrade the whole system to see a jump in performance.....doing a CPU, mother and memory upgrade wont do anything if the GPU can hit a 100%

the gpu is not hitting 100 , its rarely happening in any game , and mostly in single players titles. Modern coop games like helldivers 2 , space marine 2 , stalker 2 , etc are always at 88% or below, even at max 1080p settings

go lowest settings on first person shooters like helldivers.....space marines was one of the out lying games as its very CPU demanding and stalker just does weird stuff

i stand by what i said.....10 game average 9800x3d with a 9060xt was 134 frames with 1% at 105 and the 5600 none G or X hit 120 with 94 on the 1% lows

^^^this is the best you can get going to a 500 dollar CPU not the 9600x you are looking at....

Originally posted by † ROGUE †:

yeah im going for a ddr5 system

if you are looking at new cpu, mobo, ram
might as well build a new system
with new case, psu, drive, and reuse the 9060xt
save the old build and use its igpu for htpc or remote play client on tv or something like that

cost will be about $200 more, but you can have another working pc for another location

Originally posted by † ROGUE †:

I am feeling like the cpu is not doing good with the gpu, and am thinking to upgrade to a Ryzen 9600x , with b650 mobo and 32 gm ram ....

Solid base with room to upgrade and it will pair well with the 9060XT, that CPU should be good for the next 60 class XT also, it will last a bit longer if you push to the 9700X.