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Agent 9 Oct @ 3:18am

Done with AMDip and switching back to intel

I own a 7800x3D, great chip when things work but for £300 I feel ripped off.

Here's the issues and no amount of BIOS updates years later ever fixed the problem or newer chipset drivers.

First issue is long boot time, even with memory context restore enabled it takes 30 to 40 seconds to boot from cold. My previous intel and even a newer 14400 that my partner is using takes on 7 seconds to boot. So it's not a DDR5 problem, it's AM5.

Second issue, micro stutters in games. It doesn't happen all the time but occasionally you'll feel slight lag or dips while playing games even tho fps numbers show as ok. Other times I'll have a game that never had problems before running a locked 60, dip down to 45 or 50. On the intel system no such issue occurs.

The last and biggest annoyances day to day is windows feels slightly delayed to clicks, apps take a bit longer to open and feel less responsive than intel. Steam takes forever to boot, pages on steam take longer to load, and it's not internet either since intel build just across from has no issues. Both systems running on ethernet cat 6 direct to router via switch.

All these annoyances on a £300 CPU is frankly not acceptable. Through prime sales I got an intel ultra 245k for £150 and will be selling my AM5 system to go back to intel.

I suggest other intel buyers be careful, as like me you may notice all these issues.

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Midnight Aurais 9 Oct @ 4:13am

yeah am5 ain't perfect got one build aswel if i knew i would have made another am4 build

the signal issues with ram on am5 motherboards is just plain bad you require to get a expensive motherboard to hopefully not deal with those issues

the processor can do it the motherboards is another story

you can turn on memory context restore and power down on the ram but this is a mixed bag for some it solves the issue others it won't even boot the motherboard unless you clear the cmos

microstutters is one of the things windows fixed with the 25h2 at least claim to it is more of a os problem windows scheduler was build mostly for intel amd was never the focus till later that's why you can have a boost in performance in 24h2 but wel not 100% perfect because that also can introduce microstutters and weird issues 24h2 is a mess

if you were to use linux then likely the microstutters would be gone all together so this is more of a operating system problem and is known in unreal engine games most definitely 5

and yeah unlike the guy in other threads recommending 13-14th gen intel i have not heard anything to bad about the intel ultra series so if that solves it and performance is good completely understandable why you move back

ill be waiting to am6 and pray that doesn't suffer the same issues before upgrading my main gaming pc which boots under 10 seconds (am4)

hope intel gets back on its feet and eventually starts competing again because we need competition

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skOsH♥ 9 Oct @ 4:30am

Hmm maybe your pc is not configured properly?

Mine is undervolted and underclocked and boots up in just about the same time frame

No stuttering in games

That version of the x3d series is not as good as the 9k-x3d series

I don't even have an x3d chip and it performs just as well if not better

Remember: an i7-6700k cost about 750-800gbp when it launched, or roughly 1k usd

I would know i had one back in the day.

So an amd chip costing 300gbp shouldn't make you feel ripped off.

Idk why you would want something that draws more watts and produces more heat but you do you

Midnight Aurais 9 Oct @ 4:37am

wel if it solves his issues then more power to him

a lot of am5 issues are related to the motherboard which is a crap ton more expensive overal then am4

so you could tell him what motherboard you have and he could consider getting that one aswel or moving to intel anyway

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Rumpelcrutchskin 9 Oct @ 4:39am

Should have just swapped to 9800X3D, quite a few of the problems with 7800X3D were fixed with it.

Midnight Aurais 9 Oct @ 4:41am

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:
Should have just swapped to 9800X3D, quite a few of the problems with 7800X3D were fixed with it.

yeah but if he has a asrock motherboard because we don't know then that's going to be a dead processor as far as i know asrock is still finding out why it happens with am5 x3d chips

Agent 9 Oct @ 4:44am

Originally posted by Midnight Aurais:
wel if it solves his issues then more power to him

a lot of am5 issues are related to the motherboard which is a crap ton more expensive overal then am4

so you could tell him what motherboard you have and he could consider getting that one aswel or moving to intel anyway

It's a Gigabyte B650 AORUS elite AX revision 1.2

wing0zero 9 Oct @ 4:51am

Originally posted by skOsH♥:
Remember: an i7-6700k cost about 750-800gbp when it launched, or roughly 1k usd

No it didn't I bought that CPU at launch, I paid £320 I think it was.

Lixire 9 Oct @ 4:51am

7800X3D here myself but I didn’t experience anything when it comes to frame dips, the PC does need like 15 seconds to boot but I haven’t touched the memory context restore setting at all

Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master with 2x32GB DDR5 6000 CL30 with the iGPU and onboard BT+WiFi disabled in the BIOS
The last part is quite important as I find that having the iGPU enabled on Ryzen CPUs will in fact add an additional latency by noticeable margin.

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wing0zero 9 Oct @ 4:53am

Turn SMT off for gaming to remove the SMT overhead and logical core scheduling, I've found that improves things even on my 9800X3D.

skOsH♥ 9 Oct @ 5:04am

Originally posted by wing0zero:
Originally posted by skOsH♥:
Remember: an i7-6700k cost about 750-800gbp when it launched, or roughly 1k usd
No it didn't I bought that CPU at launch, I paid £320 I think it was.

Odd. Maybe different marketplace prices in different regions of the world.

It definitely was about 3x more expensive for me at launch

Are you thinking of the same cpu? Came out in like, 2010 or earlier?

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Electric Cupcake 9 Oct @ 5:16am

I've never had any trouble with AM5, and you couldn't pay me to go back to Intel and Nvidia crap.

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PopinFRESH 9 Oct @ 5:17am

Originally posted by skOsH♥:
Originally posted by wing0zero:
No it didn't I bought that CPU at launch, I paid £320 I think it was.

Odd. Maybe different marketplace prices in different regions of the world.

It definitely was about 3x more expensive for me at launch

Are you thinking of the same cpu? Came out in like, 2010 or earlier?

No, that CPU had an MSRP of $340 at launch and readily available at that pricing at the time; or for around $30 less than MSRP. The only things in the price point you are saying at the time were the entry level HEDT "X" models which started at $800 and went up to $1700 for the 6950X Extreme Edition.

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Slav Mcgopnik 9 Oct @ 5:19am

Going from one of the best processors you can get to a turd that most people don’t even think is worth benchmarking , all because of what’s likely bad configuration is one hell of a choice.

I swapped from Intel to AMD on my new Pc and the improvement was insane.

Last edited by Slav Mcgopnik; 9 Oct @ 5:19am

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skOsH♥ 9 Oct @ 5:22am

Originally posted by PopinFRESH:
Originally posted by skOsH♥:

Odd. Maybe different marketplace prices in different regions of the world.

It definitely was about 3x more expensive for me at launch

Are you thinking of the same cpu? Came out in like, 2010 or earlier?
No, that CPU had an MSRP of $340 at launch and readily available at that pricing at the time; or for around $30 less than MSRP. The only things in the price point you are saying at the time were the entry level HEDT "X" models which started at $800 and went up to $1700 for the 6950X Extreme Edition.

Hmm. Well I am thinking of a completely different processor then since it came out before 2012 and was quite pricey

Yep. I am misremembering. 5960x, Haswell arch

Last edited by skOsH♥; 9 Oct @ 5:33am

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Agent 9 Oct @ 5:51am

Originally posted by Slav Mcgopnik:
Going from one of the best processors you can get to a turd that most people don’t even think is worth benchmarking , all because of what’s likely bad configuration is one hell of a choice.

I swapped from Intel to AMD on my new Pc and the improvement was insane.

It's basically a 14600k without the degradation issues to worry about and lower wattage / heat.

With all the problems I've been having I think it's worth switching back. I've tried messing around with settings, reseating, swapping out storage and ram to no avail. I could spend more on another board, but if the problem persists it's just more money down the drain.

The ultra 5 was on prime sale for super low price so I said screw it and jump ship.

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