Tbh, id not use either at 4k, but if I had to pick, I'd take the 4080, though saving for a 5080 / waiting for them to turn up second hand with the 5080 super releasing 'soon' might be the best option.

Out of those 2, they perform similar, but the 4080 has the edge with better upscaling / frame gen and raytracing.

7900 XTX will do 4K just fine, 9070 XT is a bit weaker and don't scale as well at 4K but no doubt will be fine with FSR too.

Originally posted by Anti-Sauron:

7900 XTX will do 4K just fine, 9070 XT is a bit weaker and don't scale as well at 4K but no doubt will be fine with FSR too.

Not without compromising settings or fps fairly heavily, the 4090 is the finest card I felt you didn't need to compromise stuff for 4k and unless you are on a big screen and close to it, 4k really is not worth the compromises needed to match the 1440p experience.

Originally posted by Monk:

Originally posted by Anti-Sauron:

7900 XTX will do 4K just fine, 9070 XT is a bit weaker and don't scale as well at 4K but no doubt will be fine with FSR too.

Not without compromising settings or fps fairly heavily, the 4090 is the finest card I felt you didn't need to compromise stuff for 4k and unless you are on a big screen and close to it, 4k really is not worth the compromises needed to match the 1440p experience.

Most of us don't care about RT.

Originally posted by Anti-Sauron:

Originally posted by Monk:

Not without compromising settings or fps fairly heavily, the 4090 is the finest card I felt you didn't need to compromise stuff for 4k and unless you are on a big screen and close to it, 4k really is not worth the compromises needed to match the 1440p experience.

Most of us don't care about RT.

If you go off market share there are 11.75 Nvidia GPU's sold for every 1 AMD GPU (94%/8%), I think "most" disagree.

Originally posted by wing0zero:

Originally posted by Anti-Sauron:

Most of us don't care about RT.

If you go off market share there are 11.75 Nvidia GPU's sold for every 1 AMD GPU (94%/8%), I think "most" disagree.

Interesting theory, but bought GPU stats don't count, especially when the most populare GeForce is a 4060 which is not even close to the XTX in RT performance. LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrMeOv7eSmY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QDOcbeRy6E

Originally posted by Anti-Sauron:

Originally posted by wing0zero:

If you go off market share there are 11.75 Nvidia GPU's sold for every 1 AMD GPU (94%/8%), I think "most" disagree.

Interesting theory, but bought GPU stats don't count, especially when the most populare GeForce is a 4060 which is not even close to the XTX in RT performance. LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrMeOv7eSmY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QDOcbeRy6E

It's not in the same price bracket so doss t appeal to the same users either.

Not to mention that way tracing is important enough that AMD now had dedicated hardware to run it as it IS the future of lighting and shadows for gaming, it's not even hard to run on anything over a 3050.

The only people who 'hate' raytracing is those who cannot run it.

Honestly, a bit of a bad argument overall, but, let's look at it a different way.

The OP provides 2 options at the same price with similar performance outside of ray tracing, frame gen and upscaling, while one has access to better versions / performance in those areas, why would anyone think, 'no, I want the less capable card', oh a I know who would, fanboys and fanboys suck who ever they fanboy for and should be ignored.

I would choose the Radeon, if Linux is being used, if you value helping competition thrive so we don't completely lose grasp of this monopoly Nvidia is being allowed to get away with, they already bought some of Intel.

20% is the difference between the 4080 and 9070 XT at 4K, if you ran a game at 60 FPS on the 4080, it would run at 48 FPS on the 9070 Xt, the difference between native res and FSR4 Quality covers that gap.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/37.html

However, yes, the 4080 has a little bit better performance.


Without RT, it is behind both the XTX and 4080 by 5% at 4K.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/34.html

Originally posted by Anti-Sauron:

I would choose the Radeon, if Linux is being used, if you value helping competition thrive so we don't completely lose grasp of this monopoly Nvidia is being allowed to get away with, they already bought some of Intel.

20% is the difference between the 4080 and 9070 XT at 4K, if you ran a game at 60 FPS on the 4080, it would run at 48 FPS on the 9070 Xt, the difference between native res and FSR4 Quality covers that gap.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/37.html

However, yes, the 4080 has a little bit better performance.


Without RT, it is behind both the XTX and 4080 by 5% at 4K.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/34.html

See, buying inferior products to stand up for a multi billion dollar company producing bad products is just dumb.

There really is no other word for it, you put your self in a worse position for nothing.
Bad products should not be supported with your hard earned money, especially when it doesn't even have the defence of being cheaper so you cannot even make the value argument, also, Linux sucks, you can't play most online games on it due to anti cheat so you'll be running windows anyway as dual boot and it's used by a tiny, vocal, niche number of users (who cannot even agree which version should be used), so unless it is specifified, it makes far more sense to base recommendations on what the 99% use over the 1%.

So, what you are saying is that the OP should have a worse experience to support a billion dollar company that doesn't give a damn about you and made an inferior product that's only reason to ever be recommended is if it's notably cheaper....

Truly, great advice.

Muppet lol.

Originally posted by Monk:

Originally posted by Anti-Sauron:

I would choose the Radeon, if Linux is being used, if you value helping competition thrive so we don't completely lose grasp of this monopoly Nvidia is being allowed to get away with, they already bought some of Intel.

20% is the difference between the 4080 and 9070 XT at 4K, if you ran a game at 60 FPS on the 4080, it would run at 48 FPS on the 9070 Xt, the difference between native res and FSR4 Quality covers that gap.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/37.html

However, yes, the 4080 has a little bit better performance.


Without RT, it is behind both the XTX and 4080 by 5% at 4K.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/34.html

See, buying inferior products to stand up for a multi billion dollar company producing bad products is just dumb.

There really is no other word for it, you put your self in a worse position for nothing.
Bad products should not be supported with your hard earned money, especially when it doesn't even have the defence of being cheaper so you cannot even make the value argument, also, Linux sucks, you can't play most online games on it due to anti cheat so you'll be running windows anyway as dual boot and it's used by a tiny, vocal, niche number of users (who cannot even agree which version should be used), so unless it is specifified, it makes far more sense to base recommendations on what the 99% use over the 1%.

So, what you are saying is that the OP should have a worse experience to support a billion dollar company that doesn't give a damn about you and made an inferior product that's only reason to ever be recommended is if it's notably cheaper....

Truly, great advice.

Muppet lol.

Buying a used card that could be mined on for 20% performance in Ray Tracing that everyone turns off is much dumber IMO.,

Very unlikely to of been mined on a 40 series card and even if it had, so what?

Most miners take better care of their cards than those who don't as keeping them cool literally pays better.

So not only do you not think someone should buy a clearly superior card, with better visuals and performance, you base it on a idea based on ignorance of how mining works / worked.

Oh and it's ONLY 20%... Plus, you know, better visuals in upscaling, frame gen, plus the whole nvidia suite of extras, including reflex which all but eliminates any extra delay added from frame gen.

Yeah, you know your stuff, good advice.

I am awful with software issues, but I am pretty good with hardware, so I only comment on what I know, I don't get why others don't do the same.

If the AMD option is a notable a saving when looking at the life of the card, then they are worth going with, if not, you give up to much to go AMD and you'll forever find yourself defending your purchase bexuase you know it was the wrong choice.

Originally posted by Monk:

Very unlikely to of been mined on a 40 series card and even if it had, so what?

Most miners take better care of their cards than those who don't as keeping them cool literally pays better.

So not only do you not think someone should buy a clearly superior card, with better visuals and performance, you base it on a idea based on ignorance of how mining works / worked.

Oh and it's ONLY 20%... Plus, you know, better visuals in upscaling, frame gen, plus the whole nvidia suite of extras, including reflex which all but eliminates any extra delay added from frame gen.

Yeah, you know your stuff, good advice.

I am awful with software issues, but I am pretty good with hardware, so I only comment on what I know, I don't get why others don't do the same.

If the AMD option is a notable a saving when looking at the life of the card, then they are worth going with, if not, you give up to much to go AMD and you'll forever find yourself defending your purchase bexuase you know it was the wrong choice.

Anti lag 2.0 from AMD, FSR4 barely has any discernible quality difference, at this point Monk you are just not willing to hear another choice and keep trying to insult others.


The reason you think like you do is from the perception that others do not own, research or have a brain different to you.

XTX with FSR and FG no Anti Lag 2.0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytz5thMi-Y0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVF8gaOQfa4


This is the INT8 version so not as good as the native FSR4 on a 9070 XT and is on balanced.


Here is DLSS4 vs FSR4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6nuDOqzY1U

https://imgur.com/a/xAtquhZ

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I'd go with the 4080, the tech is better and it's the same price, though, waiting for a second hand 5080 might be the best option overall as they will inevitably show up once the 5080 super drops 'soon'.

Originally posted by gwwak:

https://imgur.com/a/xAtquhZ

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